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Old 01-25-2014, 07:03 AM  
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/24...or-killer.html

Execution date of Feb. 26 is set for man sentenced in killing of Ann Harrison
January 24
By TONY RIZZO
The Kansas City Star

The Missouri Supreme Court on Friday set a Feb. 26 execution date for one of two men convicted in the 1989 murder of a Kansas City teenager.

Michael A. Taylor was sentenced to death for the killing of 15-year-old Ann Harrison, who was waiting for a school bus in front of her southeast Kansas City home when she was kidnapped, sexually assaulted and stabbed to death.

Taylor, now 46, had come within hours of being put to death in 2006 before the execution was stayed. A co-defendant, Roderick Nunley, now 48, also remains imprisoned on a death sentence.

Both pleaded guilty, but each implicated the other as the primary assailant. They were sentenced to death by a Jackson County judge.

Taylor is one of about 20 Missouri death row inmates involved in a federal lawsuit challenging the state’s lethal injection procedures.

“This is exceptionally premature in light of the status of the lethal injection litigation,” his attorney, John Simon, said of Friday’s order.

Missouri did not carry out any executions between February 2011 and November. Since then, the state has executed two inmates after adopting a new execution protocol using the drug pentobarbital. A third man, Herbert Smulls, is scheduled for execution early Wednesday.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/24...#storylink=cpy
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:37 PM   #61
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totally retarded, i agree...

but practical reality is that legal executions very rarely happen, so rarely that no-one seriously regards it as an effective deterrent...

and they are horribly expensive to litigate...

given that reality, we should stop executions altogether regardless of the moral/legal justifications either way...
I'm not advocating circumstantial evidence convictions being executed. Just the for certain ones. We both know they exist.

And, the world would be a better place if litigators were paid minimum wage.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:38 PM   #62
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the founding fathers took a dim view of mistreating prisoners and as a result there is that pesky bill of rights...

they specifically prohibited cruel and unusual punishment...

otherwise i'd be inclined to agree with you...
When did modern liberals start worrying about what the founding fathers thought? Double
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:43 PM   #63
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Then maybe we should lock a convicted murderer into a room without food or water and let god sort it out, not us.
That kinda seems like killing them.

I figured some would miss my point. I'm not against the death penalty (I do have some reservations about fairness and the possibility of executing someone innocent, but those are kind of separate issues).

I think it is reasonable for someone to be against abortion but ok with the death penalty.
EXCEPT--if the objection to abortion is religious based/due to the belief that it is wrong to take a like because life is sacred/belief that only God should make the call on death, then I think that support of the death penalty is inherently hypocritical.
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:45 PM   #64
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That kinda seems like killing them.

I figured some would miss my point. I'm not against the death penalty (I do have some reservations about fairness and the possibility of executing someone innocent, but those are kind of separate issues).

I think it is reasonable for someone to be against abortion but ok with the death penalty.
EXCEPT--if the objection to abortion is religious based/due to the belief that it is wrong to take a like because life is sacred/belief that only God should make the call on death, then I think that support of the death penalty is inherently hypocritical.
You might be shocked to learn that many Christians are okay with doctors who cure life-threatening illnesses even though God obviously wants those people dead.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:02 PM   #65
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I'm not advocating circumstantial evidence convictions being executed. Just the for certain ones. We both know they exist.

And, the world would be a better place if litigators were paid minimum wage.
the world might be a better place if the damned legal system wasn't so litigious...
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:19 PM   #66
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You might be shocked to learn that many Christians are okay with doctors who cure life-threatening illnesses even though God obviously wants those people dead.
Yes most are, and if life is sacred it seems that one should try to preserve life if possible.

But even with those people who reject medical treatment, there's still a difference between choosing prayer over medicine and actively executing someone.
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Did planes hit the 2 WTC towers? Yes. Ah but were they the airliners we were told they were? Evidence and physics seems to say NO!

What about the Pentagon?? Again it appears it would...defy physics.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:21 PM   #67
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the world might be a better place if the damned legal system wasn't so litigious...
Of course, if the world was a better place, most litigation wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
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Did planes hit the 2 WTC towers? Yes. Ah but were they the airliners we were told they were? Evidence and physics seems to say NO!

What about the Pentagon?? Again it appears it would...defy physics.
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Yes most are, and if life is sacred it seems that one should try to preserve life if possible.

But even with those people who reject medical treatment, there's still a difference between choosing prayer over medicine and actively executing someone.
Quite insightful. Is there also a difference between meatloaf and a swing set? I think your views on that matter might be equally valuable.
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Why? Is abortion sort of like killing the baby before it commits a major crime? Maybe that could be a new pitch in favor of killing a baby before it is born and grows up a psycho.
He's an idiot, that's why.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:03 AM   #71
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Quite insightful. Is there also a difference between meatloaf and a swing set? I think your views on that matter might be equally valuable.
Sorry if you found the response insulting to your intelligence, but you're the one who presented such a lousy example.
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Did planes hit the 2 WTC towers? Yes. Ah but were they the airliners we were told they were? Evidence and physics seems to say NO!

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the world might be a better place if the damned legal system wasn't so litigious...
Don't know how facetious you are, but I still admire people who devote their lives to training themselves to extensively analyzing important issues and speaking on behalf of their analysis.

Highly trained engineers have the benefit of physical realities, but we would be so dismissive of the best engineers speaking passionately about their findings.

Experts in global warming or quantum physics haven't worked any harder on their stances than attorneys, they just enjoy a better database.

An attorney's job is to state their clients' POV as passionately and eruditely as is possible. It's a job that can be exploited, but it's still an important job.
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Don't know how facetious you are, but I still admire people who devote their lives to training themselves to extensively analyzing important issues and speaking on behalf of their analysis.

Highly trained engineers have the benefit of physical realities, but we would be so dismissive of the best engineers speaking passionately about their findings.

Experts in global warming or quantum physics haven't worked any harder on their stances than attorneys, they just enjoy a better database.

An attorney's job is to state their clients' POV as passionately and eruditely as is possible. It's a job that can be exploited, but it's still an important job.
I have a lot of respect for your intelligence and wit. You are one of my favorite posters even though we disagree on something's. From what I have read you strike me as honest and decent. The issue most have with your profession is for every honest lawyer there are several who as you put it exploit the position. We live in a country where you can have as much justice as you can afford. The shakedown lawyers pretending to help the powerless when the reality is they are just performing money grabs. It is a complex issue. To restrain this activity we risk allow the rich and powerful even more power~
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I find it fascinating that the bible belt states are the ones pushing for death sentences.
Maybe it means that the bible belt states have a stronger sense of right and wrong.
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Maybe it means that the bible belt states have a stronger sense of right and wrong.
Yeah, the rest of the country is still unsure how it feels about murder.
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