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Old 01-26-2014, 05:48 PM  
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White House warns Obama could go around Congress

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will work with Congress where he can and circumvent lawmakers where he must, his top advisers warned Sunday in previewing Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Obama faces a politically divided Congress on Tuesday and will use his annual address to demand expanded economic opportunity. Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

"I think the way we have to think about this year is we have a divided government," said Dan Pfeiffer, a longtime Obama adviser. "The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda. The president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

So the White House is eyeing compromise on some priorities, Obama advisers said. But the president is also looking at executive orders that can be enacted without Congress' approval.

"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

The act-or-else posture bristled Republicans.

"The president has sort of hung out on the left and tried to get what he wants through the bureaucracy as opposed to moving to the political center," said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the GOP Senate leader.

Added Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: "It sounds vaguely like a threat, and I think it also has a certain amount of arrogance."

With campaigns for November's election on the horizon, there's scant reason for the White House to be optimistic about Republican support for measures to revive a bipartisan immigration bill that has passed the Senate, an increased minimum wage or expanding prekindergarten programs.

Republicans looking to wrest control of the Senate and keep their majority in the House instead want to keep the focus on the struggling economy and Obama's stewardship of it. The GOP is pinning hopes that voter frustration remains high and punishes Democrats on the ballot for Obama's tenure.

"His economic policies are not working," said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

The White House has been signaling to Republicans that it would not wait for Congress to act. It also is betting Obama's backers will rally behind his plans.

"When American jobs and livelihoods depend on getting something done, he will not wait for Congress," Pfeiffer wrote in an email to Obama supporters Saturday.

Following the speech, Obama will travel to Maryland, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Tennessee to promote the proposals he introduces Tuesday evening.

Pfeiffer appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" and "Fox News Sunday." Carney spoke with ABC's "This Week." McConnell was interviewed on Fox. Paul spoke with CNN and NBC's "Meet the Press." Cruz spoke to CBS' "Face the Nation."
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:24 PM   #2
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Page 3 "I'll work with or without Congress" thread says essentially the same thing Donger.
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:27 PM   #3
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:33 PM   #4
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Page 3 "I'll work with or without Congress" thread says essentially the same thing Donger.
Yes, but this is more specific:

Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

How exactly?

And, I was thinking of when Obama was heckled recently by leftists (I think in San Francisco) and Obama basically told them that this pesky Constitution thing prevents him from acting unilaterally (paraphrased). Can't find the exact quote.
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:35 PM   #5
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Yes, but this is more specific:

Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

How exactly?

And, I was thinking of when Obama was heckled recently by leftists (I think in San Francisco) and Obama basically told them that this pesky Constitution thing prevents him from acting unilaterally (paraphrased). Can't find the exact quote.
I don't know. But by all means, we should assume it is something diabolical. Like his other EOs.


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Old 01-26-2014, 06:36 PM   #6
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Guess I should have actually read the thread that Prison Female Dog mentioned...

President Obama on Monday responded to critics from the Left who have urged him to issue more executive orders to bypass legislative opposition on key issues, arguing that he could not “nullify Congress."

During a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee in San Francisco, Obama was heckled by an audience member who repeatedly shouted “executive order” during the president’s remarks.

“Somebody keeps on yelling, ‘executive order,’ ” said Obama, responding to the heckler. “I’m going to actually pause on this issue because a lot of people have been saying this lately on every problem, which is just, ‘Sign an executive order and we can pretty much do anything and basically nullify Congress.’

“That’s not how it works,” he continued. “We’ve got this Constitution, we’ve got this whole thing about separation of powers. So there is no shortcut to politics, and there’s no shortcut to democracy."
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:38 PM   #7
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I don't know. But by all means, we should assume it is something diabolical. Like his other EOs.


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What? I don't presume that they will be diabolical. But what kind of EOs could Obama declare to narrow the income gap? Will he raise taxes on "the rich" by EO?
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:40 PM   #8
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I don't know. But by all means, we should assume it is something diabolical. Like his other EOs.


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You are quite odd.
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What? I don't presume that they will be diabolical. But what kind of EOs could Obama declare to narrow the income gap? Will he raise taxes on "the rich" by EO?
Maybe I misinterpreted your point in starting the thread. What was the point?
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:50 PM   #10
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You are quite odd.
Oh, I didn't see you there. I thought he might have been filling in.
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Yes, but this is more specific:

Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

How exactly?

And, I was thinking of when Obama was heckled recently by leftists (I think in San Francisco) and Obama basically told them that this pesky Constitution thing prevents him from acting unilaterally (paraphrased). Can't find the exact quote.
al north post 32-33 of 'Ill act with or without Congress says Ex. Order bypasses the law basically making it impotent so he says.

Yeah I remember that incident. Cosmo says that executive order does nothing and that it isn't a law basically downplaying the effect of it, do you agree with that?

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Maybe I misinterpreted your point in starting the thread. What was the point?
Are you okay?

What kind of EOs could Obama declare to narrow the income gap?
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Old 01-26-2014, 07:06 PM   #14
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Guess I should have actually read the thread that Prison Female Dog mentioned...

President Obama on Monday responded to critics from the Left who have urged him to issue more executive orders to bypass legislative opposition on key issues, arguing that he could not “nullify Congress."


Which makes this troubling:

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"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.
Is "bypassing" a form of nullification?
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Which makes this troubling:



Is "bypassing" a form of nullification?
I think it's really interesting. Wasn't it BigChiefDave who said that basically since Obama won re-election, the GOP should just roll over and do what Obama wants? "Elections have consequences" and so on.
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