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Old 01-26-2014, 04:48 PM  
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White House warns Obama could go around Congress

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WASHINGTON (AP) President Barack Obama will work with Congress where he can and circumvent lawmakers where he must, his top advisers warned Sunday in previewing Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Obama faces a politically divided Congress on Tuesday and will use his annual address to demand expanded economic opportunity. Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

"I think the way we have to think about this year is we have a divided government," said Dan Pfeiffer, a longtime Obama adviser. "The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda. The president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

So the White House is eyeing compromise on some priorities, Obama advisers said. But the president is also looking at executive orders that can be enacted without Congress' approval.

"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

The act-or-else posture bristled Republicans.

"The president has sort of hung out on the left and tried to get what he wants through the bureaucracy as opposed to moving to the political center," said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the GOP Senate leader.

Added Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: "It sounds vaguely like a threat, and I think it also has a certain amount of arrogance."

With campaigns for November's election on the horizon, there's scant reason for the White House to be optimistic about Republican support for measures to revive a bipartisan immigration bill that has passed the Senate, an increased minimum wage or expanding prekindergarten programs.

Republicans looking to wrest control of the Senate and keep their majority in the House instead want to keep the focus on the struggling economy and Obama's stewardship of it. The GOP is pinning hopes that voter frustration remains high and punishes Democrats on the ballot for Obama's tenure.

"His economic policies are not working," said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

The White House has been signaling to Republicans that it would not wait for Congress to act. It also is betting Obama's backers will rally behind his plans.

"When American jobs and livelihoods depend on getting something done, he will not wait for Congress," Pfeiffer wrote in an email to Obama supporters Saturday.

Following the speech, Obama will travel to Maryland, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Tennessee to promote the proposals he introduces Tuesday evening.

Pfeiffer appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" and "Fox News Sunday." Carney spoke with ABC's "This Week." McConnell was interviewed on Fox. Paul spoke with CNN and NBC's "Meet the Press." Cruz spoke to CBS' "Face the Nation."
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:21 AM   #136
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To be honest, I can't remember which video I heard it on and replayed one already. I am looking it up as well. I was just mentioning how fast he went to write on. Thought it was hilarious he did that so fast.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:28 AM   #137
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Obama's inauguration was January 20, 2009 and according to the WH website this is his first EO:


January 21, 2009
Executive Order 13489 -- Presidential Records
On the face of it it looks okay but when you find out it deals with Executive Privilege I have to wonder. I only glimpsed to get general gist of it. I did not read it. It's just that's an area of abuse. I did post how he tried to classify a trade document. Such bull.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...orders?page=17
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:46 AM   #138
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Face it folks, Obama's mad, and he's going to force as much change as he can between now and the time he leaves office. He's got nothing to lose (personally), so I expect he'll do everything he can (even if it means he steps over the line) to mold the world into what he wants to see. And his last year is going to be one hell of a ride. I suspect that last year will be down right brutal compared to these cupcake things.

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Old 01-28-2014, 09:47 AM   #139
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Face it folks, Obama's mad, and he's going to force as much change as he can between now and the time he leaves office. He's got nothing to lose (personally), so I expect he'll do everything he can (even if it means he steps over the line) to mold the world into what he wants to see. And his last year is going to be one hell of a ride. I suspect that last year will be down right brutal compared to these cupcake things.

It's all in the game...
I agree. He can't fix 6 years of being a failure so its like Ill show you. Not an unusual behavior among some people to do that.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:49 AM   #140
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Obama has learned to Not Do things. It is very difficult to Stop someone from Not doing something. If he disagrees with a law he chooses not to enforce it.
holy hell, I'm going to agree with HCF, somewhat, on something.

This is an area that the president can legally abuse his power, IMO. If congress gives him all the resources in the world, then he's got no excuse, but we often don't have that kind of money. (literally catching and deporting all illegals is pretty expensive) If budget cuts force the government to make tough choices, then the president can pull some clever shenanigans all in the name of prioritization.

e.g. "Congress didn't give me the resources I needed, so we have to focus on what is most important, and let some other things slide until we can afford to do everything. So, we'll cut back on immigration enforcement except for violent illegal criminals, and we'll let CO and WA do whatever they want with weed, for now." If the law does not prioritize, then the courts have always deferred to the executive to prioritize what to do when he can't do everything.

Often, congress hoped the president would prioritize something else for cuts, but if they don't spell it out in the law, then they leave it up to him. Because of that, congress is now starting to micro-manage cuts a bit, spelling out that some things must be fully funded and staffed.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:53 AM   #141
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Judge Napolitano was on the Kelly File last night explaining how EOs are supposed to work which is as an administrative function. They cannot be used to by pass the "will" or "intent" of congress. I say Obama's min wage move on federal contractors does exactly that.
Unless literally every federal contractor was making minimum wage, I don't see how you could argue that. I'd bet that the vast majority of contractors make more.

Its a minimum wage, not a maximum, even for low-skilled jobs. Private employers are free to pay whatever they want, why is it illegal to pay every federal contractor above $10.10? I don't see how it was the will or intent of congress, either. They only said no one (with some exceptions) can be paid below this minimum.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:56 AM   #142
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Oh, I forgot about Obama changing part of the ACA. Napolitano brings this up on Kelly File last night. Also, on immigration law.

Doesn't seem "extremely rare" under Obama at least. ( or Clinton )
EO's that are clearly, blatantly illegal are extremely rare. This category does not include legal EO's that you merely disagree with.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:59 AM   #143
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EO's that are clearly, blatantly illegal are extremely rare. This category does not include legal EO's that you merely disagree with.
Just saying I don't buy it. Especially when using the word "extremely." They've become more of a problem.
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:20 AM   #144
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I base my position on founding principles not current law or failure of congresses to act, al.
I see the major point of demarcation with FDR, with Wilson a forerunner. Less centralization in federal power and more centralization of power in the Executive branch is making our structure of govt a footnote in history.
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:24 AM   #145
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:03 AM   #146
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Here are some harmful Executive Orders that were allowed

Franklin Roosevelt - Executive Order 6102 - April 5, 1933
Authorized the confiscation of private gold
Deprives people of property without due process

Franklin Roosevelt - Executive Order 9066 - February 19, 1942.
Imprisonment of 110,000 or 120,000 Japanese Americans in "War Relocation Camps"; state kidnapping as well as loss of property without due process in the form of forced sales at substantial discounts; even J.Edgar Hoover opposed these camps.

Harry Truman - Executive Order 1034-
April 8, 1952
Directing the Secretary of Commerce to Take Possession of and Operate the Plants and Facilities of Certain Steel Companies
Tried to seize private property by seizing steel industry; taking property without due process of law; "Owners of the seized properties obtained a court injunction against the seizure, and an appeal of that injunction to the U.S. Supreme Court gave rise to one of the 'great cases' in constitutional law, Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. et al. v. Sawyer."
( http://www.independent.org/publicati...le.asp?id=1394)

Abraham Lincoln - Executive Order - May 18, 1864
Authorizing General Winfield Scott To Suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus

Abraham Lincoln - Executive Order - October 14, 1861
Suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus

"Lincoln issued countless executive orders authorizing arrest and imprisonment of opposition newspaper reporters and editors and suspending the writ of habeas corpus widely across the Union. Of course, you will not read much about this in the history books."
(http://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/07/r...ecutive-order/)

Chief Justice Roger B. Taney challenged Lincoln on this for which Lincoln tried to jail him.
I could do more but it would probably take a long time. Months. It would have to include, naturally, all the ones never challenged due to previous congresses rolling over.
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President Obama’s 43-point State of the Union speech and second term agenda laid out to Congress on Tuesday will cost taxpayers nearly $40 billion more annually if fully implemented with over half — $20.2 billion — just to reform immigration, according to the National Taxpayers Union Foundation.

The foundation, which annually tabulates the cost of programs presidents propose in their speeches, set this year’s annualized price at $39.995 billion. The bulk would pay for the immigration and amnesty, followed by $12.8 billion to restore unemployment insurance and $3.5 billion to fund a pre-K request.

When totalled, the president’s wish list will cost over $350 per household.

Other highlights from the study provided to Secrets include: An estimated $547 million annually for his community college plan; $414 million annually to expand the Earned Income Tax Credit; and $274 million annually putting people to work building fueling stations.
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