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Old 01-26-2014, 05:48 PM  
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White House warns Obama could go around Congress

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will work with Congress where he can and circumvent lawmakers where he must, his top advisers warned Sunday in previewing Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Obama faces a politically divided Congress on Tuesday and will use his annual address to demand expanded economic opportunity. Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

"I think the way we have to think about this year is we have a divided government," said Dan Pfeiffer, a longtime Obama adviser. "The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda. The president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

So the White House is eyeing compromise on some priorities, Obama advisers said. But the president is also looking at executive orders that can be enacted without Congress' approval.

"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

The act-or-else posture bristled Republicans.

"The president has sort of hung out on the left and tried to get what he wants through the bureaucracy as opposed to moving to the political center," said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the GOP Senate leader.

Added Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: "It sounds vaguely like a threat, and I think it also has a certain amount of arrogance."

With campaigns for November's election on the horizon, there's scant reason for the White House to be optimistic about Republican support for measures to revive a bipartisan immigration bill that has passed the Senate, an increased minimum wage or expanding prekindergarten programs.

Republicans looking to wrest control of the Senate and keep their majority in the House instead want to keep the focus on the struggling economy and Obama's stewardship of it. The GOP is pinning hopes that voter frustration remains high and punishes Democrats on the ballot for Obama's tenure.

"His economic policies are not working," said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

The White House has been signaling to Republicans that it would not wait for Congress to act. It also is betting Obama's backers will rally behind his plans.

"When American jobs and livelihoods depend on getting something done, he will not wait for Congress," Pfeiffer wrote in an email to Obama supporters Saturday.

Following the speech, Obama will travel to Maryland, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Tennessee to promote the proposals he introduces Tuesday evening.

Pfeiffer appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" and "Fox News Sunday." Carney spoke with ABC's "This Week." McConnell was interviewed on Fox. Paul spoke with CNN and NBC's "Meet the Press." Cruz spoke to CBS' "Face the Nation."
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:05 AM   #46
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It's illegal for the chief law enforcement officer of the federal govt to bypass congress to seize powers he does not have.
We are talking about Obama.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:07 AM   #47
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Obama will divide the country even further starting with SOTU speech. Democrat congressmen and senators up four election will get slaughtered if he forces the issue on his moves. How much more of his crap will people take?
Unless those Democrats are in heavy democratic districts. There are democrats who are supporting this by Obama. They keep calling Congress obstructionist as if we're supposed to have a dictator. It's funny cause I watched a program last night that covered LBJ and the Democratic congress, his own party, obstructed his Civil Rights bill the same way.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:09 AM   #48
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We are talking about Obama.
True. And a congress that seems incapable of doing their part to stop Obama from abusing his position. He seems to be able to spend money that is not approved on things congress said no to. Justice is run by a obot who cares not about the law.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:10 AM   #49
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True. And a congress that seems incapable of doing their part to stop Obama from abusing his position. He seems to be able to spend money that is not approved on things congress said no to. Justice is run by a obot who cares not about the law.
I think that BEP is talking about Holder, not Obama.
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It will be interesting when he calls for use of executive powers if the camera shows the reaction from the justices in the Supreme court.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:17 AM   #51
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It will be interesting when he calls for use of executive powers if the camera shows the reaction from the justices in the Supreme court.
They cant act to stop him. Someone else has to. Justice/holder wont. Fundamentally transforming the country is the agenda. The end justify the means.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:39 AM   #52
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They cant act to stop him. Someone else has to. Justice/holder wont. Fundamentally transforming the country is the agenda. The end justify the means.
Exactly what he said when he first campaigned. The ends justifies the means is a devoutly held manner of operating.
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Old 01-27-2014, 09:48 AM   #53
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I think that BEP is talking about Holder, not Obama.
No I am NOT. I am talking about Obama. Remember when Clinton was asked during his impeachment:
Do you admit or deny that you are the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of America?
Okay, of course he denied that as not being in the Constitution. But then he was asked:

Do you admit or deny that pursuant to Article II, section 2 of the Constitution you have a duty to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed?"

He answered: Article II Section 3 ( not Section 2) of the Constitution states that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed" and that is a presidential obligation.
The president is "boss" of government workers in the Executive Branch, he appoints and he appointed Holder. So he's where the buck stops. Hence, he's the chief law enforcement officer.

But then, you think we're a democracy too. So I understand.


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The Constitution doesn't impede them, so why would they care about Congress?
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No I am NOT. I am talking about Obama. Remember when Clinton was asked during his impeachment:
Do you admit or deny that you are the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of America?
Okay, of course he denied that as not being in the Constitution. But then he was asked:

Do you admit or deny that pursuant to Article II, section 2 of the Constitution you have a duty to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed?"

He answered: Article II Section 3 ( not Section 2) of the Constitution states that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed" and that is a presidential obligation.
The president is "boss" of government workers in the Executive Branch, he appoints and he appointed Holder. So he's where the buck stops. Hence, he's the chief law enforcement officer.

But then, you think we're a democracy too. So I understand.


http://www.historyplace.com/unitedst...-questions.htm
I believe that you're in the vast minority if you think that POTUS is the "chief law enforcement officer" of the federal government, but that really shouldn't shouldn't surprise anyone. It's called "delegating authority."

And, yes, we do have a democracy, albeit an indirect one. Again, your fringe beliefs are just that.
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Old 01-27-2014, 04:18 PM   #56
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I believe that you're in the vast minority if you think that POTUS is the "chief law enforcement officer" of the federal government, but that really shouldn't shouldn't surprise anyone.
Being a minority doesn't make something true. The House Judiciiary Committee and other attorneys involved in the 81 questions submitted to Clinton on November 5, 1998, part of which I just posted, don't agree with you.
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It's called "delegating authority."
NO kidding. You actually thought I didn't know that?
That's saying the same thing. So it doesn't change what I posted.
You're just arguing for the sake of it now.

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And, yes, we do have a democracy, albeit an indirect one.
Nope. If it were merely indirect via the use of reps...majority rule would be the deciding factor. It is not. It's limited by rule of law that protects rights of others including those of the minority. It has many very non-democratic features even if it has some democratic features.

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Again, your fringe beliefs are just that.
Thank you for pretty much saying our Founders were fringe. It's no wonder you're a Tory. That's what you guys thought back then.

It's not a belief though. It's a fact. We have a representational republic.

Thank you for conceding that you lost this argument--AGAIN. EPIC FAIL in civics for you.
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And, yes, we do have a democracy, albeit an indirect one. Again, your fringe beliefs are just that.
The United States has never been a democracy.
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Like I said, we have an indirect democracy.
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Like I said, we have an indirect democracy.
We have a republic. If we had a democracy then majority would always rule. That is not the case.
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No we don't Donger. It's actually a unique type of republic that is a form of mixed govt.
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