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Old 01-26-2014, 04:48 PM  
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White House warns Obama could go around Congress

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will work with Congress where he can and circumvent lawmakers where he must, his top advisers warned Sunday in previewing Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Obama faces a politically divided Congress on Tuesday and will use his annual address to demand expanded economic opportunity. Absent legislative action, the White House is telling lawmakers that the president is ready to take unilateral action to close the gap between rich and poor Americans.

"I think the way we have to think about this year is we have a divided government," said Dan Pfeiffer, a longtime Obama adviser. "The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda. The president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

So the White House is eyeing compromise on some priorities, Obama advisers said. But the president is also looking at executive orders that can be enacted without Congress' approval.

"The president sees this as a year of action to work with Congress where he can and to bypass Congress where necessary," White House press secretary Jay Carney said.

The act-or-else posture bristled Republicans.

"The president has sort of hung out on the left and tried to get what he wants through the bureaucracy as opposed to moving to the political center," said Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the GOP Senate leader.

Added Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: "It sounds vaguely like a threat, and I think it also has a certain amount of arrogance."

With campaigns for November's election on the horizon, there's scant reason for the White House to be optimistic about Republican support for measures to revive a bipartisan immigration bill that has passed the Senate, an increased minimum wage or expanding prekindergarten programs.

Republicans looking to wrest control of the Senate and keep their majority in the House instead want to keep the focus on the struggling economy and Obama's stewardship of it. The GOP is pinning hopes that voter frustration remains high and punishes Democrats on the ballot for Obama's tenure.

"His economic policies are not working," said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

The White House has been signaling to Republicans that it would not wait for Congress to act. It also is betting Obama's backers will rally behind his plans.

"When American jobs and livelihoods depend on getting something done, he will not wait for Congress," Pfeiffer wrote in an email to Obama supporters Saturday.

Following the speech, Obama will travel to Maryland, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Tennessee to promote the proposals he introduces Tuesday evening.

Pfeiffer appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" and "Fox News Sunday." Carney spoke with ABC's "This Week." McConnell was interviewed on Fox. Paul spoke with CNN and NBC's "Meet the Press." Cruz spoke to CBS' "Face the Nation."
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:38 AM   #121
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:38 AM   #122
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You could be right.


I don't think it would make much of a difference even if there is one.

People put too much blame on politicians instead of looking at themselves for their problems. It's easier that way.
Yeah...

Except kinda not.

Legislation that is against the will of the people is routinely passed behind closed doors.

We have two parties which both encompass a very rigid set of ideals and beliefs.

The more you know, the less you want to be involved.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:41 AM   #123
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Last night the good Judge pointed out three areas that Obama has abused EO's--failure to enforce immigration law in areas ( not faithfully executing the law), changes to welfare law that was reformed under Clinton regarding work...but I can't remember the 3rd one. I know his going into Libya without a declaration of war is another Constitutional violation but that's just not an EO. The latter is a good example of one party doing something earlier, allowing others to just do it later regardless of party. This is how we are losing our govt. None of this stuff is "extremely rare" anymore and has accelerated.

I consider Napolitano to be a better judge on this matter than many. He adhere's more strictly to the govt and has written several books on abuses of the Constitution.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:42 AM   #124
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:52 AM   #125
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Heritage on executive powers...and Dinger's claims of "fringe" views.

Oh my how fringe that even a NeoCon outfit ( Donger's camp) called the office of the president the:
Chief Law Enforcement Officer. The President has the sole constitutional obligation to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed,"and this grants him broad discretion over federal law enforcement decisions. He has not only the power, but also the responsibility to see that the Constitution and laws are interpreted correctly.
I don't agree with all their points in there as it seems to still justify too much
power in that branch like claiming the president is "solely" responsible for FP but it has some good points. Including, the numerous abuses by Clinton and comments "designed to incite a partisan response" by claiming the "power was 'cool'."

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Former President Bill Clinton proudly publicized his use of executive decrees in situations where he failed to achieve a legislative objective. Moreover, he repeatedly flaunted his executive order power to curry favor with narrow or partisan special interests
If a president fails to achieve a legislative objective and then uses EOs et al. then it's pretty obvious to mean he's trying to by pass the intent of congress.

The Use and Abuse of Executive Orders and Other Presidential Directives
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...ial-directives
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:57 AM   #126
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I must digress a degree...but

...here's another abuse by Obama-- "what is in effect governance by ‘secret law.’”

Federal Judge Slaps Down President Obama for Secret Governing

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Judge Napolitano explained, “Here, the president of the United States of America signed a document that had to do with international trade, distributed the document to employees of the State Department and after it was out there, decided it should be made classified.”

Judge Napolitano told Megyn Kelly, “It is the first time in the modern era that a federal judge has directly slapped down the president of the United States saying you can’t do this.”
Oh yeah, yeah...it's Fox but it's the Judge who did criticize Bush too. He's with the libertarians more. Fox doesn't always like that camp.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/18...cret-governing
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #127
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Obama has learned to Not Do things. It is very difficult to Stop someone from Not doing something. If he disagrees with a law he chooses not to enforce it.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #128
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:02 AM   #129
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“First of all, an executive order is a piece of paper, signed by the president, directing someone who works for him [...] to do their job the way he wants them to do it,” began Napolitano, who further explained that a president cannot impose executive orders on private companies. “He can only direct executive branch employees how to do their job,” the judge added.
He explains how an EO can be used in the link, such as tightening existing regulations.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/18...cret-governing
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Obama signed his first EO his second day in office.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:04 AM   #131
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Obama signed his first EO his second day in office.
What was it?


Just curious.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:10 AM   #132
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I'd have to look it up.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:18 AM   #133
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Also per Judge Napolitano...

He claims Congress has rolled over too.
“In fairness to President Obama, it is Congress that has given the president - this president and his predecessors - this kind of leeway. It is Congress that has allowed the president to get away with this. It is the Congress that could stop him, and it is the Congress that will probably roll over when he does it,” Napolitano said.
Congress can defund but they don't have enough votes to override a veto.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:19 AM   #134
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Oh, I forgot about Obama changing part of the ACA. Napolitano brings this up on Kelly File last night. Also, on immigration law.

Doesn't seem "extremely rare" under Obama at least. ( or Clinton )
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I'd have to look it up.
Don't worry about it. I have a computer in front of me.
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