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Old 01-31-2014, 06:25 PM  
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Income Inequality and the real reason it needs to be addressed

Okay, the Left loves to rant about "fairness" when it comes to income inequality but that's a bunch of liberal BS. So let's get past the emotional arguments of fair vs. unfair and address why and when income inequality becomes a bad thing.

There comes a point in just about every imaginable scenario where too much of a even a good thing becomes a bad thing. What we have seen in the last decade and even more so in the last 5-6 years is just that. What's good for the rich and big corporations is starting to become bad for the country as a whole. The middle class is being weeded out by liberal politicians as well as what is amounting to nothing more than corporate greed.

A financially healthy middle class is needed for a strong economy. Unfortunately that is not what we have nor are we headed on a path to getting back to healthy. The middle class is what drives this country and it is disappearing for all the wrong reasons. While big business is cutting jobs or import\exporting jobs, creating an environment of job insecurity and stagnant wages, liberal politicians are squeezing more money out of the middle class with their failed policies.

When you look at the last several years, everything has risen except 2 key factors, jobs and wages. The cost of gas has risen, the cost of food has risen, the cost of health care is rising and the stock market is rising. Meanwhile jobs and wages are doing dick.

There comes a point where "what's mine is mine" becomes a bad thing. The rich and big corporations who have enjoyed record profits and a rising stock market are doing so for what is tantamount to nothing more than a fleecing of the middle class. Companies have laid off thousands of workers to increase profits in the name of "shareholder value". As the record profits come in we seem trillions being spent on non-productive things such as share buy-backs and such. Couple with the Bernanke influenced environment of low interest rates, the rich and big corps are feasting while everyone in the middle class continues to famine.

I am a capitalist and a free-market kind of guy but I can also see what is happening right in front of our eyes. Corporations have no loyalty to their employees and thus in the long run their customers. Wall St. now dictates every move of these companies with their "quarterly earnings estimates" and companies are allowing it to happen.

The best analogy I can come up with to describe the problem is one of losing weight. If you are overweight then losing weight is good and healthy. However, losing too much weight becomes unhealthy and though your initial goal was to watch the scale go down the point comes when the scale going down is now bad. Companies have got to start valuing their employees more and their CEO's a little less. The "shareholders" in which whose name all this cutting and thievery is done will benefit just the same if not more so. A healthy employment base gives companies the consumer base they ultimately need to grow.

Right now as Democrats are pushing the Immigration Reform issue so the can garner more voters, the Chamber of Commerce and big business is championing the issue in the name of cheaper labor.

The middle class is running out of money, folks. The jobs are not coming fast enough, the pay is not rising fast enough and the job security is running away too fast.

So when it comes down to it, it is not about what's fair and what isn't. It's about what is healthy for this country's economy and what isn't.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:38 PM   #91
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Rational explanation would be interesting. We have seen the sky is falling OMG OMG what are we gonna do....and we have full awareness of the need on the left to create an issue to divide people into class envy. But they don't address the question why are we trying to fix something that will aways exist even after the attempted fix?
You could dismiss any argument under this guise. I don't know that there is a need to divide people based on class envy. I think it naturally happens. Why try to fix a system where the average person pays 99% tax; After all, taxes will always exist. This seems to be the jist of your argument.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:51 PM   #92
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You're free to do whatever you want....

I guarantee I know more about what I am talking about than you do when it comes to this matter. It was stated clearly in the OP why a healthy middle class is needed but you choose to play these stupid games most likely borne out of the insecurity of trying to defend trickle down economics as a good thing and only a good thing.
No, you made the unsupported assertion in the OP. You never bothered to explain why and you've dodged the question several times since. Your guarantee doesn't really mean much when you can't even answer this simple question. Your credibility is crumbling. You seem to be pretty lost on this subject, to be honest.
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Old 02-01-2014, 01:00 PM   #93
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If we didn't have a middle class, they'd all be lower or upper. So, what makes a middle class so indispensable?
I don't think you know the difference between middle and upper.
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You could dismiss any argument under this guise. I don't know that there is a need to divide people based on class envy. I think it naturally happens. Why try to fix a system where the average person pays 99% tax; After all, taxes will always exist. This seems to be the jist of your argument.

I am not presenting an argument. And your comment is nonsense
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No, you made the unsupported assertion in the OP. You never bothered to explain why and you've dodged the question several times since. Your guarantee doesn't really mean much when you can't even answer this simple question. Your credibility is crumbling. You seem to be pretty lost on this subject, to be honest.
, yeah, MY credibility is crumbling.......you go ahead with that one....
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I don't think you know the difference between middle and upper.
Ok. Explain it to me.
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, yeah, MY credibility is crumbling.......you go ahead with that one....
I already did. That's the natural result when you repeatedly dodge a challenge to explain one of your own assertions. Let's face it, you're just ranting about how the wealthy are screwing you just like you do with refs in sports. You don't really know what's going on, you just don't like the result and you feel like you must be getting screwed.
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I already did. That's the natural result when you repeatedly dodge a challenge to explain one of your own assertions. Let's face it, you're just ranting about how the wealthy are screwing you just like you do with refs in sports. You don't really know what's going on, you just don't like the result and you feel like you must be getting screwed.
I think you're projecting just a TOUCH here
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I think you're projecting just a TOUCH here
That doesn't make sense... much like your inconherent ranting about this subject.
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Patteu, I think you're just butthurt because you are having to face the reality that the Reaganomics of old are a thing of the past. You have a pavlovian response when anytime someone accuses corporate America of being guilty in part for the fleecing of the middle class
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Patteu, I think you're just butthurt because you are having to face the reality that the Reaganomics of old are a thing of the past. You have a pavlovian response when anytime someone accuses corporate America of being guilty in part for the fleecing of the middle class
That's great, except that I haven't responded to your OP at all. I've simply asked a clarifying question. Still no answer. Just more flailing and dodging from you.
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That's great, except that I haven't responded to your OP at all. I've simply asked a clarifying question. Still no answer. Just more flailing and dodging from you.
Yeah, we have all noticed you doing nothing but troll and then secrete your usual butthurt when corporate America is blamed for something
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Yeah, we have all noticed you doing nothing but troll and then secrete your usual butthurt when corporate America is blamed for something
OK, the number of times you've replied to my posts without answering the single, simple question I've asked has topped a dozen. I think it's safe for us to just let this drop. You've convinced me that you aren't capable of backing up your bullshit. And I'm not even saying it's wrong, but when you don't know what you're talking about, it's pure bullshit whether you stumble into an occasional truth or not.

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OK, the number of times you've replied to my posts without answering the single, simple question I've asked has topped a dozen. I think it's safe for us to just let this drop. You've convinced me that you aren't capable of backing up your bullshit. And I'm not even saying it's wrong, but when you don't know what you're talking about, it's pure bullshit whether you stumble into an occasional truth or not.

Congratulations.
I think you're the only one suffering from a lack of comprehension regarding my imply
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I think you're the only one suffering from a lack of comprehension regarding my imply
I'm regarding your imply with a lack of comprehension, alright.
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