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Old 02-06-2014, 10:50 AM  
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Obama on killing the innocent

Give him credit. He can act.

He sees abortion as some sort of good fun though.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penn...yal-god-s-will



At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. on Thursday, President Barack Obama said that “killing the innocent” is the “ultimate betrayal of God’s will.”

But the president was talking about terrorism, not abortion:

“Extremists succumb to an ignorant nihilism that shows they don’t understand the faiths they claim to profess, for killing the innocent is never fulfilling God’s will. In fact, it is the ultimate betrayal of God’s will,” Obama said.

Yet Obama is a long-time supporter of abortion rights.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:08 PM   #16
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Yeah, that's a great idea...alienate and/or piss off potential supporters and voters who happen to be religious. Okay, Cosmo Lane....

I didn't say it would be great from his perspective.
I guess what you're saying then is that you would prefer the president pander to these people.
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Did planes hit the 2 WTC towers? Yes. Ah but were they the airliners we were told they were? Evidence and physics seems to say NO!

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Old 02-06-2014, 02:11 PM   #17
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What woud be great is if a president would say, "I'm not coming to your stupid prayer breakfast."
You think that Obama's claim to being Christian is false?
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:16 PM   #18
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There's nothing wrong with what Obama said. Normal people aren't equating "Killing the innocent" with abortion. You're getting worked up over your own incorrect interpretation. Nothing new...
So "normal" is a label that only applies to those that are Pro Choice? Nice use of labels to dehumanize and dismiss.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:18 PM   #19
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I guess what you're saying then is that you would prefer the president pander to these people.
that's what politicians do...
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:24 PM   #20
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So "normal" is a label that only applies to those that are Pro Choice? Nice use of labels to dehumanize and dismiss.
No, that's not what I said.

Are you aware that abortion is legal, and therefore not classified as "Killing"?
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:24 PM   #21
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You think that Obama's claim to being Christian is false?
First, I don't see why this question should follow from my statement. He can be Christian and still turn down the prayer breakfast invitation.

I don't think his "claim" to be Christian is false. I don't think he is particularly religious though.

Do you think his claim to be Christian is false?
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Did planes hit the 2 WTC towers? Yes. Ah but were they the airliners we were told they were? Evidence and physics seems to say NO!

What about the Pentagon?? Again it appears it would...defy physics.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:28 PM   #22
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that's what politicians do...
I said: It would be great if he said he's not coming.
Yes, pandering is what politicians do. That doesn't mean we have to prefer it.

You're feisty today.
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What about the Pentagon?? Again it appears it would...defy physics.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:42 PM   #23
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Even if you disagree, there are important legal, biological, and philosophical distinctions between potential life....and life. Regardless of whether you recognize it or not, it exists. Willing blindness to that fact does not give you moral high ground, but instead exposes your own narrow-minded and self-righteous ignorance.

I'm pretty sure with the benefit of hindsight your parents would have opted for retroactive abortion...
Well, you sure gave it to us. First time I've heard that retro-abortion insult...ouch...you truly are an independent thinker.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:44 PM   #24
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Good for him. According to christians all children should be aborted in order that they can immediately to heaven as they are without sin.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:46 PM   #25
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No, that's not what I said.

Are you aware that abortion is legal, and therefore not classified as "Killing"?
Capital punishment is legal and plenty of liberals call it "killing", if not murder. And if you care to look up "murder", it's the taking of an innocent life. Hmmm, sounds kind of familiar.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:16 PM   #26
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by WILLIAM BIGELOW 16 Aug 2013 664 POST A COMMENT
According to a new Pew research poll, three times as many Americans think abortion is morally wrong as those who think it is morally acceptable. Of the 4,006 adults polled, 49% said abortion was immoral, while only 15% thought it met their moral standards; 23% said abortion was not a moral issue.


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Old 02-06-2014, 03:19 PM   #27
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No, that's not what I said.

Are you aware that abortion is legal, and therefore not classified as "Killing"?

38 states have laws against killing fetuses. So abortion as it were may not be "killing" but the laws in the vast majority of our states certainly view the fetus as a person in acts of feticide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_...f_Violence_Act
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:28 PM   #28
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Capital punishment is legal and plenty of liberals call it "killing", if not murder. And if you care to look up "murder", it's the taking of an innocent life. Hmmm, sounds kind of familiar.
Well that's the point. Just because some group of idiots calls it killing or murder, that doesn't mean that it is.

You're welcome to debate the point in time which a fetus becomes an innocent life. But we already have an established legal standard for that. Because of that, abortion is not the same as taking an innocent life.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:34 PM   #29
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38 states have laws against killing fetuses. So abortion as it were may not be "killing" but the laws in the vast majority of our states certainly view the fetus as a person in acts of feticide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_...f_Violence_Act
"In acts of feticide". Pretty big difference there, wouldn't you say?

Especially when the bill is very explicit about the exception for abortion.

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The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf", "of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child" or "of any woman with respect to her unborn child."
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Well that's the point. Just because some group of idiots calls it killing or murder, that doesn't mean that it is.

You're welcome to debate the point in time which a fetus becomes an innocent life. But we already have an established legal standard for that. Because of that, abortion is not the same as taking an innocent life.
...not murder!
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