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Old 02-06-2014, 10:50 AM  
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Obama on killing the innocent

Give him credit. He can act.

He sees abortion as some sort of good fun though.

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At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. on Thursday, President Barack Obama said that “killing the innocent” is the “ultimate betrayal of God’s will.”

But the president was talking about terrorism, not abortion:

“Extremists succumb to an ignorant nihilism that shows they don’t understand the faiths they claim to profess, for killing the innocent is never fulfilling God’s will. In fact, it is the ultimate betrayal of God’s will,” Obama said.

Yet Obama is a long-time supporter of abortion rights.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:37 PM   #31
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"In acts of feticide". Pretty big difference there, wouldn't you say?
Yes, and I noted it. Getting back to the President's comment on "killing the innocent", you would have to explain to me how a fetus is innocent when someone kills it by force, but not by choice. That's some serious cognitive dissonance there. And a conundrum even many pro-choicers do put some thought into even if you don't.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:41 PM   #32
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Yes, and I noted it. Getting back to the President's comment on "killing the innocent", you would have to explain to me how a fetus is innocent when someone kills it by force, but not by choice. That's some serious cognitive dissonance there. And a conundrum even many pro-choicers do put some thought into even if you don't.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:44 PM   #33
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Using abortion pictures to guilt people into accepting your belief? That's classy......
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:44 PM   #34
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Right-wing version:
sperm meets egg to fetus = We love them
age 0 to age 17 = Don't give a shit
age 18 - death = Don't give a shit unless sufficiently conservative
Judging by the lack of response to this I take it that nobody objects to this narrative?
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:45 PM   #35
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Using abortion pictures to guilt people into accepting your belief? That's classy......
has nothing to do with belief, has everything to do with murder.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:46 PM   #36
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Sums up hcf perfectly.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:48 PM   #37
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Well that's the point. Just because some group of idiots calls it killing or murder, that doesn't mean that it is.

You're welcome to debate the point in time which a fetus becomes an innocent life. But we already have an established legal standard for that. Because of that, abortion is not the same as taking an innocent life.
Citing a legal standard is really a circular argument when you're talking about what should and shouldn't be legal. It certainly doesn't provide an adequate foundation for the definitive meaning of the phrase "innocent life". If you want to say that from Obama's pov (or some other pro abortion person), the fetus isn't an innocent life, fine, but you can't cite a statute as if it defines what everyone should accept as the final word on the subject.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:49 PM   #38
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Yes, and I noted it. Getting back to the President's comment on "killing the innocent", you would have to explain to me how a fetus is innocent when someone kills it by force, but not by choice. That's some serious cognitive dissonance there. And a conundrum even many pro-choicers do put some thought into even if you don't.
The president was discussing terrorism, and how it is the cause of "Killing the innocent". The abortion angle is simply your own moral ideals and dislike of Obama being irrationally placed on an otherwise normal and uneventful prayer breakfast.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:51 PM   #39
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Judging by the lack of response to this I take it that nobody objects to this narrative?
I think it's more likely that people ignored it because it's stupid.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:52 PM   #40
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I think it's more likely that people ignored it because it's stupid.
That is a dangerous precedent. This board will be out of business if everyone starts doing that.
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I think it's unlikely that the President chose those words without knowing that it would be a stick in the eye for pro-lifers. The guy seems to go out of his way to be divisive.
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That is a dangerous precedent. This board will be out of business if everyone starts doing that.
True enough.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:56 PM   #43
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I didn't say it would be great from his perspective.
I guess what you're saying then is that you would prefer the president pander to these people.


What do you mean by these people?
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I think it's unlikely that the President chose those words without knowing that it would be a stick in the eye for pro-lifers. The guy seems to go out of his way to be divisive.
.... yes, no doubt that Obama went to a prayer breakfast with the plan of taking a sneaky but non-subtle jab at pro-lifers while discussing terrorism.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:04 PM   #45
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What do you mean by these people?
People who feel it is important to have a National Prayer Breakfast.
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