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Black residents reject Trader Joe’s because it would attract too many white people

February 8, 2014
Trader Joes opposition
Photo credit: Andrew Theen/The Oregonian
The Trader Joe’s grocery chain has withdrawn plans to build a store in the heart of a predominantly black neighborhood after a black leadership group fought the move.

The Portland Development Commission was set to give the grocer a large discount on property that had been vacant for years, pricing it at just over $500,000, down from an appraised value of $2.9 million, according to The Oregonian.http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...ican_lead.html

The Portland African American Leadership Forum sent a scathing letter in December to city leaders, saying the plan would price residents out of the area and the group“remains opposed to any development in North/Northeast Portland that does not primarily benefit the black community.”

Trader Joe’s would increase displacement of low-income residents and “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations,” PAALF wrote.

“[This decision] reflects the city’s overall track record of implementing policies that serve to uproot, displace and disempower our most vulnerable community members,” the letter said.

Trader Joe’s bowed out amid the controversy.

“We run neighborhood stores, and our approach is simple: If a neighborhood does not want a Trader Joe’s, we understand, and we won’t open the store in question,” a company spokesperson said in a statement to The Oregonian.

But not everyone is happy about the outcome.

“There are no winners today,” Adam Milne, owner of Old Town Brewing Co., told The Oregonian. “Only missed tax revenue, lost jobs, less foot traffic, an empty lot and a boulevard still struggling to support its local small businesses.”

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Old 02-10-2014, 09:54 AM   #76
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In fairness, a grocery store doesn't create jobs. The people in that neighborhood are already buying groceries, so the jobs already exist at different stores. A new grocery store or retailer just transfers jobs from one area to another, most likely within the radius for which people would seek retail jobs.

What you really want is a locally owned grocery store where the profits stay in the community. Whether it's Trader Joe's or Aldi's or Safeway or whatever, the profits leave the community.

The benefit of putting a store like this in a neighborhood is that it might shift some other retail patterns and people might stop at other locally owned stores in the area. But even then it takes sales out of some other neighborhood.

And as some have already noted, perhaps it makes the neighborhood more desirable, which brings up property values. It sounds like the neighborhood residents don't want that because they're afraid of getting priced out. I guess it's not an unreasonable concern, but if you're an owner you should want higher property values and if you're a renter your opinion really doesn't matter since you can move any time you want.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:00 AM   #77
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In fairness, a grocery store doesn't create jobs. The people in that neighborhood are already buying groceries, so the jobs already exist at different stores. A new grocery store or retailer just transfers jobs from one area to another, most likely within the radius for which people would seek retail jobs.

What you really want is a locally owned grocery store where the profits stay in the community. Whether it's Trader Joe's or Aldi's or Safeway or whatever, the profits leave the community.

The benefit of putting a store like this in a neighborhood is that it might shift some other retail patterns and people might stop at other locally owned stores in the area. But even then it takes sales out of some other neighborhood.

And as some have already noted, perhaps it makes the neighborhood more desirable, which brings up property values. It sounds like the neighborhood residents don't want that because they're afraid of getting priced out. I guess it's not an unreasonable concern, but if you're an owner you should want higher property values and if you're a renter your opinion really doesn't matter since you can move any time you want.


Id say you could count on one hand the number of full service mom and pop owned Grocery stores in the area. And none are in the hood.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:00 AM   #78
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In fairness, a grocery store doesn't create jobs. The people in that neighborhood are already buying groceries, so the jobs already exist at different stores. A new grocery store or retailer just transfers jobs from one area to another, most likely within the radius for which people would seek retail jobs.

What you really want is a locally owned grocery store where the profits stay in the community. Whether it's Trader Joe's or Aldi's or Safeway or whatever, the profits leave the community.

The benefit of putting a store like this in a neighborhood is that it might shift some other retail patterns and people might stop at other locally owned stores in the area. But even then it takes sales out of some other neighborhood.

And as some have already noted, perhaps it makes the neighborhood more desirable, which brings up property values. It sounds like the neighborhood residents don't want that because they're afraid of getting priced out. I guess it's not an unreasonable concern, but if you're an owner you should want higher property values and if you're a renter your opinion really doesn't matter since you can move any time you want.
Well, it happens to be higher paying with better benefits than other grocery stores. So while you're right to a degree that it doesn't "create" jobs, it does create better jobs which as a result sees more money injected locally.
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The Portland African American Leadership Forum sent a scathing letter in December to city leaders, saying the plan would price residents out of the area and the group“remains opposed to any development in North/Northeast Portland that does not primarily benefit the black community.”

“increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations,”

But you are probably right. Gentrification would cause a general panic anywhere. Best keep it like it is.
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Id say you could count on one hand the number of full service mom and pop owned Grocery stores in the area. And none are in the hood.
Yeah, it's almost a theoretical argument. They don't really exist any more other than maybe small stores in food deserts or holdouts in very rural areas.

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Well, it happens to be higher paying with better benefits than other grocery stores. So while you're right to a degree that it doesn't "create" jobs, it does create better jobs which as a result sees more money injected locally.
Good point. You can count the increment in pay as economic development, but the net effect is in money only, not jobs. Some lower paying jobs will go away and get replaced by an equal number of higher paying jobs, which is obviously a good thing, but it won't lower unemployment rates.
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Yeah, it's almost a theoretical argument. They don't really exist any more other than maybe small stores in food deserts or holdouts in very rural areas.



Good point. You can count the increment in pay as economic development, but the net effect is in money only, not jobs. Some lower paying jobs will go away and get replaced by an equal number of higher paying jobs, which is obviously a good thing, but it won't lower unemployment rates.
Not sure what it is today but in the 70's and 80's a Grocery store run really well would average about a 1% margin. Its a killer business if you are good and will kill you if you have a slight hiccup
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Dave lane is a one trick pony. Once you understand he is just a hater its easy. A decent atheist is pro atheist not anti christian. Dave is just a sad dude on the outskirts of reality.

Trader joes are good folks. A little odd but fun as hell. We love dropping in there and seeing what new stuff they have. The sad part of this story is they don't give a shit what you are black white brown yellow or green. Stupid assholes in Portland are the losers.
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Trader Joes sells nutritious food at decent, even low, prices.
Yup! Cheaper than Whole Foods. Although, WF's has a wider selection.
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Yup! They have a very small profit margin. I did think it was 2% though.
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doesn't sound like a place I would want in my neighborhood...

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If I'm going to more than one place, I just scrap it and park in the middle of nowhere just to avoid trying to park in close quarters.
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I think it's interesting that the party that is so vocal about property rights has no problem with gentrifying neighborhoods who have a legal stake in property. Would anyone deny that building that Trader Joe's would probably lead to a string of development that would eventually push business and property owners out of that location?

I mean... I'm not casting stones at people who are pro-gentrification. I love development and even though I know it's wrong, get excited about hearing new development in bad neighborhoods. But I can't blame the community for speaking out against it and I don't think they're wrong.
No, you forgot the adjective that goes before the words "property rights."
That word is "private" as in "private property rights." The response to here was about what the "collective" thinks about another's private property being put in their hood.
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