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Old 02-18-2014, 10:52 AM  
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Keystone stumbling block may be ID'ed?

Obammy wouldn't want to piss off $100Million reasons to stop the pipeline now would he?


No idea who this moonbat is but Im betting the Keysone would somehow cost him some bucks.




Billionaire climate-change activist Tom Steyer could spend $100 million in the 2014 midterm election season — and maybe even more — to help Democratic candidates, NBC News confirms.

Steyer’s group, NextGen Climate Action, played a role in last year’s close gubernatorial contest in Virginia.

And in this election cycle, Steyer is already targeting Republican Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

“Is it going to take $100 million? I have no idea,” Steyer told the New York Times, which first reported this story. “I think that would be a really cheap price to answer the generational challenge of the world.”

Steyer is one of the biggest — and wealthiest — opponents of the politically charged Keystone XL pipeline.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:11 PM   #16
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Obviously, nobody is going to say there is zero risk of a spill when you are transporting oil. Is there no risk to transporting it by truck or ship across the same geography? Wouldn't a permanent method of conveyance like a pipeline that runs along other pipelines be pretty safe?

I'm thinking of the trans-alaska pipeline as the model, and it was built 30 or 40 years ago. Surely they would be as safe or safer today?
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:37 PM   #17
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The Keystone would be over twice the length of the Trans-Alaska. It would cross 2 different countries and 6 US states. Just the length alone makes it considerably more risky than the Trans-Alaska. And the Trans-Alaska itself has had quite a few incidents. Using that as the model doesn't really help calm the fears. There's been kooks in Alaska that have shot holes in the supposedly gunfire-resistant pipe, and even set off explosions creating leaks and shutting down plants.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:40 PM   #18
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The Keystone would be over twice the length of the Trans-Alaska. It would cross 2 different countries and 6 US states. Just the length alone makes it considerably more risky than the Trans-Alaska. And the Trans-Alaska itself has had quite a few incidents. Using that as the model doesn't really help calm the fears. There's been kooks in Alaska that have shot holes in the supposedly gunfire-resistant pipe, and even set off explosions creating leaks and shutting down plants.

You do realize well over 50% is either already being used or is being put in the ground now.....dont you?
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:49 PM   #19
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The Keystone would be over twice the length of the Trans-Alaska. It would cross 2 different countries and 6 US states. Just the length alone makes it considerably more risky than the Trans-Alaska. And the Trans-Alaska itself has had quite a few incidents. Using that as the model doesn't really help calm the fears. There's been kooks in Alaska that have shot holes in the supposedly gunfire-resistant pipe, and even set off explosions creating leaks and shutting down plants.
Sure, in the decades since the Trans-Alaska was built I'm sure there were a few small-scale incidents. It would seem that widespread environmental damage did not occur.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:51 PM   #20
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The best thing going for the Keystone pipeline right now, is good old American greed. If the US doesn't help build the Keystone, Canada will very likely build a pipeline by themselves and ship it to a Canadian port and export the oil anyway. So in that regard, preventing the Keystone isn't really going to eliminate the future carbon emissions.

Somebody is going to buy that oil without regard to the environmental impact if the US doesn't. Which is what makes me sympathetic to allowing the Keystone, because despite the risks I think the US would be more vigilant in preventing damage and emissions than most other countries. And we would have control of most of it and not be as dependent on other far away countries.

In the end, I don't think it would create many US jobs or lower gas prices. It would make energy companies even more profitable, that's about it. I'm on the fence. I don't think it would be anywhere close to the environmental apocalypse some claim. But at the same time, I also don't think it would help anybody but the CEOs of energy corporations.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:55 PM   #21
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In order to move oil tar you have to use organic compounds similar to benzene. So the spill is not aliphatic organic material which is just sticky difficult and inflammable but aromatic organic that is carcinogenic, crosses skin, blood brain barriers as well as being sticky and inflammable. Stick with a pipeline to N. Dakota and **** the Canadians. The aromatics are also more polluting per mass than aliphatic.
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