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Old 02-19-2014, 08:47 AM  
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Have you ever changed an opinion?

In reading in this forum, have you ever changed an opinion on any topic as a result of your own conversations or by observing the ones that go on here?

I don't think there is really a right or wrong answer, but I am just curious how many people have had a change in the way they think about or view any of the topics discussed.

The poll is a simply yes or no, so feel free to elaborate on the number of times this may have happened and the subjects that it happened with if you so choose.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:07 PM   #31
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Yeah, what's science ever done for anybody?!
Haha. Never said I don’t appreciate scientific advances. Just said that I used to blindly believe what the scientific community said until I saw the strings on that puppet.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:10 PM   #32
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Only you would come to that conclusion based upon what he posted. For the life of me I don't know why it is so important for you to endlessly twist other peoples post in an effort to make them feel stupid.
He said he used to believe in "the science community." So, I guess he doesn't now. The "science community" is responsible for scientific research, discoveries, and advances, so I think my comment was appropriate.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:13 PM   #33
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I changed my mind about one specific issue regarding gun control. It wasn't because of anything said on Chiefsplanet, but it was because of something a poster said on a similar forum here in town that no longer exists.

Whenever I heard anyone say that gun-free zones are a terrible idea, I would roll my eyes and dismiss the person making the argument as an over-zealous gun nut who insists upon taking his gun EVERYWHERE. The argument I rejected was that gun-free zones guarantee that the people who obey the law are in far MORE danger because a crazed gunman knows everybody there is unarmed.

Then I started thinking about it. A lot. I did some research on mass killings that have taken place over the years in "gun-free" zones, and I concluded that I was wrong. I used to be pretty ambivalent about gun control, but I've evolved. I am now a strong supporter of gun rights, and I roll my eyes whenever anybody immediately starts insisting that's it time to grab all of the guns every time a mass shooting takes place.
BRAVO!!!! You applied logic to the equation and came up with a well thought out opinion instead of an emotional based opinion. Bravo!!! + rep for that.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:13 PM   #34
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Haha. Never said I don’t appreciate scientific advances. Just said that I used to blindly believe what the scientific community said until I saw the strings on that puppet.
Well, that's not what you said in your other post, but your clarification is appreciated.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:15 PM   #35
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Care to elaborate?

The most memorable one is memorable because it's shocking who induced me to change my mind. Or, perhaps, "read more deeply and find that she was right" would be a more accurate description of what happened.

It was BEP and her position that the War of 1812 was really just an aggressive war of expansion by the U.S. While i had read some materials on the War of 1812, most of it was purely around the military aspects of the war. Who/how battles/engagements were fought etc.

In reading some of the political backdrop of the war, however, I became fairly convinced that, yes, it was largely an unjustified war of aggressive/expansion by the U.S. That overturned my previously held understandign (simple grade school history) that it was a "Second American Revolution" and other such nonsense.

Admitting to all this on the board might cause BEP's and others' heads to explode, but suffice to say I've never found much else that she had to say to be remotely accurate. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, I suppose...
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:17 PM   #36
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He said he used to believe in "the science community." So, I guess he doesn't now. The "science community" is responsible for scientific research, discoveries, and advances, so I think my comment was appropriate.
You're not stupid, you know what he meant.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:20 PM   #37
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So you used to believe in evolution, but now you don't?

It's unclear from this post, but it sounds like you became a creationist.

Interesting.
I am pretty sure he is saying he accepts evolution now, but if the first person to introduce/try to convince him to idea was someone like Dave Lane from here, then he would have dismissed evolution because of the poster.
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Haha. Never said I don’t appreciate scientific advances. Just said that I used to blindly believe what the scientific community said until I saw the strings on that puppet.

By and large every professional has strings of some sort.

Often, however, if the scientific community overwhelmingly agrees on something, then strings or not, you pretty much have to go with it.
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There are a number of other things I have changed my mind about over the years but, typically it is a gradual change. Now in many cases this place deserves some credit but would almost never be the lone reason. An exception to that is one I still ponder from time to time. I was having a discussion of situational morality. Specifically if it was ever morally ok to steal. I was arguing there were time such as feeding your child that it would indeed moral to steel to do so. After a great deal of discussion I did have to concede that steeling regardless of the situation was still wrong but, there are just some no win situations where either option is morally wrong one was just worse than the other.
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I'm not sure that it changed my mind, but we've had some good discussions about marijuana legalization here that have been very informative to me and softened my opinion to the point where I didn't really care either way.
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By and large every professional has strings of some sort.

Often, however, if the scientific community overwhelmingly agrees on something, then strings or not, you pretty much have to go with it.
Like man caused global warming? . That's the biggest fraud ever. The puppet really danced on that one.
Good thing the enlightened people saw through that one.
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Like man caused global warming? . That's the biggest fraud ever. The puppet really danced on that one.
Good thing the enlightened people saw through that one.

Which enlightened people?

While there have been some disclosures that were very damaging to certain scientists/organizations researching the issue, I think it's reasonably fair to say that the vast majority of scientists/organizations around the world are in agreement that climate change is occurring, and that human influence is thought to be a significant contributor to that change.

Given the very extensive impact that climate change is/will have, it's important to try to do our best to understand the causes of it, and to try to minimize avoid them, IF possible. If human influences are not a significant contributor, of course, because we DO know that climate change can and has occurred without human influence, then that's another story.

The book is not closed on this. If your mind is, however, then that's pretty dumb.


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Which enlightened people?

While there have been some disclosures that were very damaging to certain scientists/organizations researching the issue, I think it's reasonably fair to say that the vast majority of scientists/organizations around the world are in agreement that climate change is occurring, and that human influence is thought to be a significant contributor to that change.

Given the very extensive impact that climate change is/will have, it's important to try to do our best to understand the causes of it, and to try to minimize avoid them, IF possible. If human influences are not a significant contributor, of course, because we DO know that climate change can and has occurred without human influence, then that's another story.

The book is not closed on this. If your mind is, however, then that's pretty dumb.
You drank Al Gore's kool-aid. The same Al Gore that screamed that the oceans would rise and flood us all and then bought a beach front house.
There have been many great floods in the earth's 5 billion estimated year history. None have been caused by man or cow farts. Solar flares and pole shifts are the cause of climate change. Man's emissions haven't done a Damn thing to the ozone.
Mars had severe climate change with no man in sight. That's merely profiteering for the political ruling class and a means to bypass the 4th amendment and control the populace and it's property.
Google the "Chicago carbon exchange"
Sadly Low information voters blindly swallowing instead of seeing what they're being fed is going to be this country's end.
Pollution may cause cancer and make air and water Gross, but the climate change argument is a fraud.
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