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A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

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Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

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Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

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Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

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I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

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Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

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Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

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Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

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Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

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Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

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Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

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Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

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2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

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Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

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Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

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Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

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Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

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Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

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Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

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Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

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@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

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Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

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Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

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Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

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Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

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Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

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Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

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Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

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Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

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Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

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Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

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Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

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Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

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Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

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@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

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Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

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Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

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Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

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"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

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Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

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"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

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Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

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Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

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Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

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Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

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Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

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Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.


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Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

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Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.
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Old 02-09-2014, 03:48 PM   #2
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If Kony Ealy falls to the bottom of the 1st, I think long and hard about taking him.
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:07 PM   #3
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If Kony Ealy falls to the bottom of the 1st, I think long and hard about taking him.
What would he play in the 3-4?

I'd be very interested in some of the MU wrs late in the draft
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:15 PM   #4
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Direckshun what are the deepest positions in this draft?
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I'm not sure. But I'm not in the business of trying to draft players that fit my preconceived notion of Who Belongs In My Scheme. I'm in the business of drafting the best possible playmakers who can blow shit up, and adjusting my system to them.

I think he could do either DE or OLB, but I'll reserve my final opinion on that after the Combine.
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:19 PM   #6
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I'm not sure. But I'm not in the business of trying to draft players that fit my preconceived notion of Who Belongs In My Scheme. I'm in the business of drafting the best possible playmakers who can blow shit up, and adjusting my system to them.

I think he could do either DE or OLB, but I'll reserve my final opinion on that after the Combine.
I agree, but I think it needs to somewhat match up,
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Direckshun what are the deepest positions in this draft?
I'm no expert, but so long as you're not married to a particular type of player (i.e. tall corners, or 4.3-running WRs), I like the depth at WR, OG, CB, and TEs. I think you can get talent at those positions all over this draft.

I think that, compared to previous years, there's better talent at DE later in the draft, but that's still pretty shallow. I really like the first- and second-day talent at OT, it's really strong. But falls off after that, dramatically.
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I'm no expert, but so long as you're not married to a particular type of player (i.e. tall corners, or 4.3-running WRs), I like the depth at WR, OG, CB, and TEs. I think you can get talent at those positions all over this draft.

I think that, compared to previous years, there's better talent at DE later in the draft, but that's still pretty shallow. I really like the first- and second-day talent at OT, it's really strong. But falls off after that, dramatically.
So let's compare that to our needs and what position should we take in the first.
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So let's compare that to our needs and what position should we take in the first.
One of the biggest reasons why I endorse DE or OLB for our 1st rounder.
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One of the biggest reasons why I endorse DE or OLB for our 1st rounder.
I find a lot of fault with that way of thinking though. I would want to draft high at the positions that are really strong this year instead of reaching on a weaker position to fill a need. Think of it this way:

Player 1 = 1st round talent at WR/TE position who can come in and will most likely contribute a lot to the team in his first year and has the potential on top of that to become a #1 WR.

Player 2 = 2nd round talent at DE/OLB who is a big project and wouldn't get any significant playing time in his first season, but he's the best left at his position and the talent level drops significantly afterwards.

I would go with Player 1 100% of the time because I don't believe in reaching at another position just because the talent level drops off significantly after that player. That's how you build a great team/roster; you draft high where the talent is deepest in order to truly get the cream of the crop instead of opting to reach on another player because his position isn't very deep in the draft.
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One of the biggest reasons why I endorse DE or OLB for our 1st rounder.
DE? No way. Need more impact than that.

Which OLB?

The value is clearly at TE or WR.
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Need more impact than one of the most important positions on the 3-4 defense?

Several OLBs grab my attention at this point: Dee Ford, Kony Ealy (I totally went there, bitches), and Trent Murphy.

I reserve the right to modify that after the Combine (i.e. if Murphy runs a 4.8 or worse).
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I find a lot of fault with that way of thinking though. I would want to draft high at the positions that are really strong this year instead of reaching on a weaker position to fill a need. Think of it this way:

Player 1 = 1st round talent at WR/TE position who can come in and will most likely contribute a lot to the team in his first year and has the potential on top of that to become a #1 WR.

Player 2 = 2nd round talent at DE/OLB who is a big project and wouldn't get any significant playing time in his first season, but he's the best left at his position and the talent level drops significantly afterwards.

I would go with Player 1 100% of the time because I don't believe in reaching at another position just because the talent level drops off significantly after that player. That's how you build a great team/roster; you draft high where the talent is deepest in order to truly get the cream of the crop instead of opting to reach on another player because his position isn't very deep in the draft.
That's fair. I just go with the player that I think will help the Chiefs the most, not necessarily in his rookie year.
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Need more impact than one of the most important positions on the 3-4 defense?

Several OLBs grab my attention at this point: Dee Ford, Kony Ealy (I totally went there, bitches), and Trent Murphy.

I reserve the right to modify that after the Combine (i.e. if Murphy runs a 4.8 or worse).
Read my post again.

I said we need more impact than a DEFENSIVE END. I then asked which OLB.

Ford and Ealy likely gone before 23, IMO. I think Murphy is going to fall at the combine (as you suggested).

I agree with you that OLB is the most important position on defense. And I don't think there will be one there when we pick. I'm not reaching for a guy like Murphy when there might be 2 or 3 quality WRs or a possible stud pass-catching TE sitting there.
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