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Statistics show illegals don't come here just for work.

71% of Anchor-Baby families are on welfare.

As of 2010, four out of five children of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. were born here — some 4 million kids. Reporting that finding, the Pew Research Center noted that, while illegal immigrants make up about 4 percent of the adult population, “because they have high birthrates, their children make up a much larger share of both the newborn population (8 percent) and the child population (7 percent) in this country.”...

According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care, and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes...

The short-term cost of “anchor babies” was revealed a decade ago in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. “‘Anchor babies’ born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income,” wrote medical attorney Madeleine Pelner Cosman. She noted the increasingly costly situation in California:

While perhaps humane, measures such as the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, which requires hospital emergency departments to treat all patients with an “emergency” (an infinitely malleable term), regardless of documentation or ability to pay, have facilitated the abuse of American health care by illegal aliens, according to Cosman.

There are long-term costs, too. U.S.-born children of illegal aliens can sponsor the immigration of family members once they come of age
. At 18, an “anchor baby” can sponsor an overseas spouse and unmarried children of his own; at 21, he can sponsor parents and siblings. There may be a long waiting period before that legal benefit is of use....

It is difficult to contend that the promise of birthright citizenship is not serving as a magnet. Carlson’s Rolling Stone essay is not about “anchor babies,” as the term is commonly applied (to children of illegal aliens), but about “birth tourists” — persons from overseas, typically of some means, who acquire temporary visas in order to give birth in the United States. Yet if middle-class Chinese (and Russian and Turkish and Nigerian) couples are incentivized by the 14th Amendment to travel to the U.S. to give birth, shouldn’t it be an even bigger draw for expecting mothers from Latin America, who typically live in much more difficult circumstances? Note, as an indicator of the power of immigration incentives, the massive influx of unaccompanied minors that converged on the U.S.–Mexico border last summer when news of DACA spread through Central America.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...sts-incentives
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:46 AM   #2
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On the other hand...

...are these illegals really refugees? I think an argument can be made for some of them.

Trumpismo, Mexico, and the Drug Cartels
by Justin Raimondo

The Mexican government is failing at what is the fundamental function of all governments everywhere: maintaining a monopoly on the use of force within its own territory. Drug gangs have taken over large swathes of Mexican territory, wherein they rule like medieval lords, killing with impunity and getting away with it. Government officials are bribed and bludgeoned into submission: journalists who expose their crimes are killed and “disappeared.” The drug cartels are states within a state, and their tentacles reach into the highest levels of the ruling elites. A more perfect example of regulatory capture can hardly be imagined....

The drug cartels have inaugurated a reign of terror in Mexico with little resistance from the government.
And they are outfitted with military-grade weaponry, including handheld rocket launchers and even makeshift tanks. The government forces, riddled with corruption, have in effect ceded large areas to the cartels, prompting the rise of citizens’ militias to fight the criminal gangs alone. The government’s response has been to attack the militias, while leaving the cartels largely alone.

Rife with violence, and increasingly insecure for the Mexican upper and middle classes, Mexico is experiencing a massive brain drain.
In the year 2000, there were 300,000 college-educated Mexican nationals living in the US: ten years later there were 530,000. Over a third of those with doctorate degrees live here. In addition to the escalating chaos, Mexican professionals and academics come to the US because their home country doesn’t have the resources, the infrastructure, or the inclination to make it possible for them stay and work in their chosen fields.

The Mexican government is well aware of this problem, and in response has initiated a “Program for Retention and Return." However, this is unlikely to attract many expatriates unless conditions at home improve markedly and in very short order – or unless Trump is elected President and gets to implement his plan to deport all 11 million “illegals,” strictly limit legal immigration, and dam the southern border.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...-drug-cartels/
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:48 AM   #3
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According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed

I've been told by some here that this doesn't happen.
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:50 AM   #4
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I've been told by some here that this doesn't happen.
Yeah, so. That's why I put it up.
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I think it would be pretty hard for even the most fervent illegal immigrant supporter to argue that birth tourism happens and happens on a rather large scale. And should be stopped.
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:57 AM   #6
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As for Birthright Citizenship being Constitutional:

From Mr. Constitution himself:

Congress has within its power the authority to clarify the 14th Amendment’s definition of citizenship by making it clear that it does not grant citizenship by birthright. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution is very clear: Congress has the power, “To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States.” This power has been used in the past to clarify birthright citizenship, including for the children of diplomats born on US soil and foreign prisoners who may give birth while in jail. There is no reason Congress cannot provide further clarification of what the 14 Amendment means when it refers to “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.
Note: I still prefer an amendment just to lock it up because of activist judges.
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Yeah, so. That's why I put it up.
Well, that's their primary argument. That they aren't a drain, but are a positive.
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According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed

I've been told by some here that this doesn't happen.
CIS makes up their numbers. You can't believe anything they write.
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71% of Anchor-Baby families are on welfare.

As of 2010, four out of five children of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. were born here — some 4 million kids. Reporting that finding, the Pew Research Center noted that, while illegal immigrants make up about 4 percent of the adult population, “because they have high birthrates, their children make up a much larger share of both the newborn population (8 percent) and the child population (7 percent) in this country.”...

According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care, and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes...

The short-term cost of “anchor babies” was revealed a decade ago in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. “‘Anchor babies’ born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income,” wrote medical attorney Madeleine Pelner Cosman. She noted the increasingly costly situation in California:

While perhaps humane, measures such as the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, which requires hospital emergency departments to treat all patients with an “emergency” (an infinitely malleable term), regardless of documentation or ability to pay, have facilitated the abuse of American health care by illegal aliens, according to Cosman.

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It is difficult to contend that the promise of birthright citizenship is not serving as a magnet. Carlson’s Rolling Stone essay is not about “anchor babies,” as the term is commonly applied (to children of illegal aliens), but about “birth tourists” — persons from overseas, typically of some means, who acquire temporary visas in order to give birth in the United States. Yet if middle-class Chinese (and Russian and Turkish and Nigerian) couples are incentivized by the 14th Amendment to travel to the U.S. to give birth, shouldn’t it be an even bigger draw for expecting mothers from Latin America, who typically live in much more difficult circumstances? Note, as an indicator of the power of immigration incentives, the massive influx of unaccompanied minors that converged on the U.S.–Mexico border last summer when news of DACA spread through Central America.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...sts-incentives
Is this really news to anyone?
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I think it would be pretty hard for even the most fervent illegal immigrant supporter to argue that birth tourism happens and happens on a rather large scale. And should be stopped.
Large scale birth tourism, eh?
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Large scale birth tourism, eh?
Yes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7187180.html
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Is this really news to anyone?
Yes it is, for the most stubborn who are in denial about this.
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So we're reading a thread on statistics from a poster who declared that GDP is meaningless just before creating this thread?

DC, ladies and gentlemen...
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CIS makes up their numbers. You can't believe anything they write.
You don't think it's zero though, right? Probably somewhere in between?
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So we're reading a thread on statistics from a poster who declared that GDP is meaningless just before creating this thread?

DC, ladies and gentlemen...
And, my personal recent favorite:

What is it with this elitist snobbery of the educated being better than the uneducated?
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