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Old 06-23-2016, 12:37 PM  
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Democrats launch a toddler-ocracy: Column

Moral outrage is fine, but Democrats are being childish.

Legislation by tantrum. That's what the Democratic sit-in in the chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives amounts to. You don't get what you want, as devoutly as you believe it to be the right thing entitles you bust to up all the toys in the sand box.

Democracy, if it means anything at all, implies a process. There is an established procedure that is often lengthy, cumbersome, and frustrating. You don't get what you want when you want it and often times you don't get it at all. And when that happens, you just work harder to win elections at all levels of government.

You can believe, as I do, that reasonable restrictions on access to firearms by individuals untrustworthy enough to be denied a seat on an airplaneare consistent with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment and I also believe that the House Republicans' miserly approach to fighting Zika — one of the targets of the Democrats ire — is irresponsible, but that could have been worked out in a compromise with the Senate's more generous approach. But neither issue warranted a serious and unprecedented breach of the normal operations of the chamber.

It is regrettable that in the contemporary Congress too much time is devoted to measures that masquerade as serious bills but are nothing more than political messages designed to embarrass the opposing party. Both sides do it: witness the fatuous, repetitive votes on the House floor to repeal Obamacare.

As futile as these gestures are, they still hew, more or less, to established procedures. The same applies to those instances when the majority party, typically the Republicans, have extended the votingfor longer than the rules allow in order to pick up a few extra supporters. And shutting down the federal government in unwinnable battles over Obamacareor immigration is petulant and ultimately self-defeating but, in their own way, within the flexible boundaries of the rules of the House. Congress does have the power of the purse.

The sit-in is different in kind. It is as if the House Democrats had embraced the Silicon Valley redefinitionof the word "disruption" as a positive good.

There are good reasons why rules in both chambers bar visitors in the gallery from shouting out their approval or disapproval of the proceedings on the floor. Likewise, it is why protest groups such as Code Pinkcan attend congressional hearings with their signs but must stay silent. Promoters of "participatory democracy" may consider these rules of parliamentary decorum to be stodgy and restrictive but they have also spared us, at least in recent years, the kind of violencethat has broken out in parliaments in other parts of the world.

Express moral indignation in floor speeches. Use social media to vent your frustration. Hold vigils on the Capitol grounds, use the legal process to file suits. All of those are legitimate forms of dissent for both members of Congress and citizens.

A sit-in by members of the House that prevents the chamber from operating more nearly resembles the hi-jinks of undergraduates invading a college dean's office than it does mature men and women who ought to know better.

No cause, however worthy, warrants such childish and destructive behavior. The long-term health of democratic institutions matter more than the political impulses of the moment.

Ross K. Baker is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University and a member of the Board of Contributors of USA TODAY.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/86278828/
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:51 PM   #2
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The last time we had one was in 2008, when it was led by Republicans. Then, House Republicans had a sit-in just before a month-long break. They were seeking to get approval for an energy proposal that would expand oil and gas drilling.

You guys can argue over which is more childish.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:29 PM   #3
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Ha...i wonder if Warren was sitting "Indian Style" (like we used to do on our mats in kindergarten)....or can i even say that?
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:49 PM   #4
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The last time we had one was in 2008, when it was led by Republicans. Then, House Republicans had a sit-in just before a month-long break. They were seeking to get approval for an energy proposal that would expand oil and gas drilling.

You guys can argue over which is more childish.
Well, at least Paul Ryan wasn't like Nancy Pelosi---he left the lights and the AC on, unlike Pelosi, who turned them off to try and make the R's suffer.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:58 PM   #5
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Representatives “sitting-in” in order to pass laws to infringe on peoples’ rights. Wow! The's a twist if I ever saw one. Plus they are reps, and they try portray themselves as the if they lack power too.

Whatta' joke!
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:06 PM   #6
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Ha...i wonder if Warren was sitting "Indian Style" (like we used to do on our mats in kindergarten)....or can i even say that?
I think "Indian Style" is now derogatory. The kids today say Cris Cross Applesauce. I heard that from a friends kid.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:23 PM   #7
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:31 PM   #8
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Certainly was a toddlerocracy. They left their trash and all manner of garbage on the floor. The little people have to clean it up.

Such children!
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:53 PM   #9
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Boston Tea Party : childish toddlers.
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Old 06-24-2016, 07:53 AM   #10
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Boston Tea Party : childish toddlers.
They weren't govt reps though. And they didn't do it on the people's property that they trashed but privately owned merchant ships, who's tea they were forced to buy from the East India Tea Company who was granted a monopoly by the Crown. ( They were nearly ready to close down their business even.) They did it to advance and protect their rights—not to take away a fundamental right. BIG diffference!
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:08 AM   #11
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The tea party wanted to get rid of laws. These babies want to pass more. Weeeeee bit of difference there
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:56 AM   #13
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:52 AM   #14
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They weren't govt reps though. And they didn't do it on the people's property that they trashed but privately owned merchant ships, who's tea they were forced to buy from the East India Tea Company who was granted a monopoly by the Crown. ( They were nearly ready to close down their business even.) They did it to advance and protect their rights—not to take away a fundamental right. BIG diffference!
Lotta hoop jumping. I'm sorry you wasted fractions of your life trying to brainstorm distinctions to make them dissimilar. I can see the exercise didn't turn out so well.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:56 AM   #15
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The right sure is in a tizzy over democrats standing up (sitting down) for what they believe in.
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