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Old 02-19-2014, 09:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-17-2014, 07:39 PM   #1561
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No, but the EU isn't going to do anything because they like the oligarchs' cash.
Besides of course what they have ALREADY done. You conveniently left out the part where you are ALREADY wrong.

You do know one of the people targeted (Medvedchuk)is a close friend of Putin's (he is the godfather to his kids) and is worth $800 million. (and yes I know he is Ukrainian, but that doesn't matter as it has the same effect since he is a close friend and supporter of Putin and his puppet in country)

That is a PERFECT example of the type of person we should target.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:40 PM   #1562
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Yes, on the Russian officials. We're discussing the really rich guys in London. The ones that Austin has claimed that we'll go after.
Like Medvedchuk? Dumbass.

And I claimed we SHOULD go after them and we COULD. I never claimed we WOULD. That's not a prediction I was willing to make. We obviously are going after a few now which proves my point that we CAN. Period. You were wrong to claim otherwise.

(by "we" I meant the US with pressure on the EU to follow suit)

So quit trying to change what I said asshole.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:46 PM   #1563
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Like Medvedchuk? Dumbass.

And I claimed we SHOULD go after them and we COULD. I never claimed we WOULD. That's not a prediction I was willing to make. We obviously are going after a few now which proves my point that we CAN. Period. You were wrong to claim otherwise.

(by "we" I meant the US with pressure on the EU to follow suit)

So quit trying to change what I said asshole.
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Viktor Volodymyrovich Medvedchuk (Ukrainian: Віктор Володимирович Медведчук) is a Ukrainian politician, lawyer, and business oligarch.[1][2]
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:50 PM   #1564
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Viktor Volodymyrovich Medvedchuk (Ukrainian: Віктор Володимирович Медведчук) is a Ukrainian politician, lawyer, and business oligarch.[1][2]
Yup, Putin's buddy and main Russian puppet in Ukraine.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:51 PM   #1565
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Yup, Putin's buddy and main Russian puppet in Ukraine.
I just thought it was funny because he's called an "oligarch" in his wikipedia entry.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:54 PM   #1566
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I just thought it was funny because he's called an "oligarch" in his wikipedia entry.
HAHA nice one. Don't worry KCNative will tell us that because we can't give him an itemized list of his frozen assets that it isn't happening.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:08 PM   #1567
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How many times are you going to bring this up? What difference does it make? Do you think Mitt would be doing anything different right now?
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You are on another level of vested in this entire situation and I get your are trying to be civilized with the team that probably road the short bus to school but I would say just quit feeding those two dipshits. They are completely clueless and everyone but them knows it.

Everyone (besides tweedle dee and tweedle dum) understands this is a bad situation. They might disagree how it should be handled but they know "Russia bad".

I really wish nutbags understood that they were nutbags but sadly they don't. They are in their own little world and have no clue so if I were you I would just quit feeding the dumb ****s.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:10 PM   #1568
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Hi Pants,
You are on another level of vested in this entire situation and I get your are trying to be civilized with the team that probably road the short bus to school but I would say just quit feeding those two dipshits. They are completely clueless and everyone but them knows it.

Everyone (besides tweedle dee and tweedle dum) understands this is a bad situation. They might disagree how it should be handled but they know "Russia bad".

I really wish nutbags understood that they were nutbags but sadly they don't. They are in their own little world and have no clue so if I were you I would just quit feeding the dumb ****s.
Pants has certainly shown more restraint than I ever could.
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Are we still debating the merits of the brilliant "seizure of assets" scheme? Meanwhile Putin has taken Crimea without firing a shot. Yet we still have folks talking about this. Putin must be laughing his ass off at this.
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Are we still debating the merits of the brilliant "seizure of assets" scheme? Meanwhile Putin has taken Crimea without firing a shot. Yet we still have folks talking about this. Putin must be laughing his ass off at this.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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I must admit, I thought when they were going to announce sanctions it would be something substantive, not taking a few bucks out of the pocket of 7 guys who are probably so fantastically wealthy that they couldn't care less.

I think this was a way for Obama et al to look like they were doing something, even though they didn't have the courage to actually do anything. It's a communication to Putin that they aren't serious about sanctions.
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I must admit, I thought when they were going to announce sanctions it would be something substantive, not taking a few bucks out of the pocket of 7 guys who are probably so fantastically wealthy that they couldn't care less.

I think this was a way for Obama et al to look like they were doing something, even though they didn't have the courage to actually do anything. It's a communication to Putin that they aren't serious about sanctions.
I'll reserve judgment to see if they escalate. They have left themselves a ton of room to move forward... we'll see if they do. I'm not holding out too much hope but it's too early to judge. At the very least this lays the groundwork and gives some bite to any future threats.
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zbigniew brzezinski thinks putin wants to re-establish the russian empire, annexing most of the old soviet republics like ukraine and georgia, one at a time as long as he doesn't meet any real resistance...

the old coot may have a point...
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I'll reserve judgment to see if they escalate. They have left themselves a ton of room to move forward... we'll see if they do. I'm not holding out too much hope but it's too early to judge. At the very least this lays the groundwork and gives some bite to any future threats.
They could have imposed something meaningful, and if you want to head off a crisis before it escalates then the time is now, while Putin's tanks are already sitting in the region he plans to take.

It's a surprisingly weak move, I think it actually is just a way to try to save face.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:33 PM   #1575
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Given his options, I can't fault Obama this. Of course, I suppose history will judge his actions with Russia before this.

I remember reading that Khrushchev was so under impressed with JFK at their first meeting that he basically said "**** it" in Russian and went ahead with deploying nukes to Cuba. Perhaps history is repeating.
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