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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-18-2014, 07:26 AM   #1606
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Expand the asset freeze sanctions greatly, tear up the arms control agreement Obama gave to the Russians at the beginning of his administration, deploy missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic (if they're still interested), expand NATO to those countries, arm Ukraine, and target Assad's regime in Syria. That would probably be enough to demonstrate to Putin that Obama has awakened from his naive slumber.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:29 AM   #1607
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I want sanctions on Victoria Nuland ( starting with firing her), all the other Kagans, Hillary Clinton ( as the interference in there was done under her state dept watch). Shut down Brookings, AEI....

Screw it! Fire all our top tier international meddlers. None of them can be trusted.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:30 AM   #1608
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Sanctions provoke wars. If sanctions are designed to strangle a country so they unable survive, essentially blocking trade, you are provoking war.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:31 AM   #1609
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If Russia were to annex the rest of Ukraine, I wonder what steps (if any) our resident isolationists would prefer?
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:31 AM   #1610
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I want sanctions on Victoria Nuland ( starting with firing her), all the other Kagans, Hillary Clinton ( as the interference in there was done under her state dept watch). Shut down Brookings, AEI....

Screw it! Fire all our top tier international meddlers. None of them can be trusted.
That's not a bad point. Why does that twat get to keep her job after she embarrassed the country like that? If any of us were caught talking like that on the job, we'd be canned already.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:32 AM   #1611
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Hey! You beat me to the German mention... yeah them and the UK are the keys to effective EU action.
Their current prime minister is a troublemaker. He'll strangle his own nation just to be right about something. Like on Russia now.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:34 AM   #1612
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Sanctions provoke wars. If sanctions are designed to strangle a country so they unable survive, essentially blocking trade, you are provoking war.
No, the actions which caused the sanctions provoke wars.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:34 AM   #1613
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That's not a bad point. Why does that twat get to keep her job after she embarrassed the country like that? If any of us were caught talking like that on the job, we'd be canned already.
Yeah, and her upset over her call being recorded by Russian intel is what bothered her the most. Then we have the patteeu's of the world who think her coordination to get the govt SHE WANTED in there isn't meddling or something that would cause a problem in there. That's agitating --unless one is so in denial they make it look reasonable.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:46 AM   #1614
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Yeah, and her upset over her call being recorded by Russian intel is what bothered her the most. Then we have the patteeu's of the world who think her coordination to get the govt SHE WANTED in there isn't meddling or something that would cause a problem in there. That's agitating --unless one is so in denial they make it look reasonable.
You have to understand, a lot of Americans don't care that she's an agitator because they like agitating. It would be like wondering why Jay Cosmo isn't outraged by Obama's behavior. It's because he supports it.


I would however think being unprofessional (esp in the role of a diplomat for crying out loud) would bring universal condemnation. But Americans are a rude lot. Rudeness doesn't bother us.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:51 AM   #1615
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You have to understand, a lot of Americans don't care that she's an agitator because they like agitating. It would be like wondering why Jay Cosmo isn't outraged by Obama's behavior. It's because he supports it.


I would however think being unprofessional (esp in the role of a diplomat for crying out loud) would bring universal condemnation. But Americans are a rude lot. Rudeness doesn't bother us.
Americans only like it, and I am not sure most do as they are war weary per the polls, because the media is designed to shape public opinion on it--that America is globe's cop and we're always the white hats.

Also, I think Americans are waking up because it's our leadership that's harming us domestically as well. IOWs the same people.
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Americans only like it, and I am not sure most do as they are war weary per the polls, because the media is designed to shape public opinion on it--that America is globe's cop and we're always the white hats.
I think it's changing though. We didn't fall for the Syria intervention last summer, and polls are showing zero appetite for any major action in Crimea either. Americans are tired of these endless wars, and tired of having the newest bogeyman paraded on TV for us to all boo-hiss.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:01 AM   #1617
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I think it's changing though. We didn't fall for the Syria intervention last summer, and polls are showing zero appetite for any major action in Crimea either. Americans are tired of these endless wars, and tired of having the newest bogeyman paraded on TV for us to all boo-hiss.
I've already called Senator Rubio's office and gave him a piece of my mind.
Gotta do Nelson now.

Spoke with our new rep when he was a candidate about it while I held back my absentee ballot.

I have to wonder if they're getting calls or if they just remember what happened on Syria. The NeoCons in DC, I am convinced want to take over the whole world.
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Also, what passed through my mind was that the our Neo-Lib and Neo-Con leadership want to isolate Russia, as they are a bulwark to their Project for a New American century designs. Really, they can hurt us militarily. So surround them, push NATO up to their borders, get more former republics inside the EU to provoke them etc. If they react, then we sanction them to death....to weaken them. Then we can go into Syria for regime change, bomb Iran and change regimes there....then move on to other places. Africa?

It reminds me of 1984--permanent war. All resistance are the bad guys. Even here.

I mean why not. Zbigniew Brzezinski has already admitted that we agitated inside Afghanistan to intentionally draw the Soviets in there, so they would have their own Vietnam to weaken them. Why wouldn't these asshole globalists who desire World Govt with them at the top be doing that here? Things that make you go hmmm?
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I think it's changing though. We didn't fall for the Syria intervention last summer, and polls are showing zero appetite for any major action in Crimea either. Americans are tired of these endless wars, and tired of having the newest bogeyman paraded on TV for us to all boo-hiss.
Yeah. Guess who is unhappy with that trend? Bill Kristol. He wrote in his Weekly Standard an article about how we need to overcome war weariness. That's who is insane. He just loves war. Progressives love the force and violence of govt. You see who's really a progressive in this thread loving the force of sanctions even.
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