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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-25-2014, 02:15 PM   #166
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What's with all the commies getting the Olympics? Slave labor to build the venues?
Speaking of commies, the other 3 are: Oslo Norway, Azbehikistan (I think?) and...drumroll...Beijing China. So basically only Oslo is a traditional non-communist bidder.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:13 PM   #167
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Speaking of commies, the other 3 are: Oslo Norway, Azbehikistan (I think?) and...drumroll...Beijing China. So basically only Oslo is a traditional non-communist bidder.
Oslo rocks! Another just awesome place! I vote for Oslo!
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:19 PM   #168
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Ron Paul on the Ukraine!

Leave the Ukraine alone!

The usual interventionists in the US have long meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine. In 2004 it was US government money that helped finance the Orange Revolution, as US-funded NGOs favoring one political group over the other were able to change the regime. These same people have not given up on Ukraine. They keep pushing their own agenda for Ukraine behind the scenes, even as they ridicule anyone who claims US involvement.

A recent leaked telephone conversation between two senior government officials made it clear that not only was the US involved in the Ukrainian unrest, the US was actually seeking to determine who should make up the next Ukrainian government!

Senator John McCain, who has made several trips to Ukraine recently to meet with the opposition, wrote last week that the US must stand up to support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea.

Why are US government officials so eager to tell the Ukrainians what they should do? Has anyone bothered to ask the Ukrainians? What if might help alleviate the ongoing violence and bloodshed, if the Ukrainians decided to re-make the country as a looser confederation of regions rather than one tightly controlled by a central government? Perhaps Ukraine engaged in peaceful trade with countries both to the west and east would benefit all sides. But outside powers seem to be fighting a proxy war, with Ukraine suffering the most because of it.

If you asked most Americans how they feel, my bet is that you would discover they are sick and tired of the US government getting involved in every crisis that arises. Certainly the American people want none of of this intervention in Ukraine. They understand, as recent polls have shown, that our interventionist foreign policy is only creating more enemies overseas. And they also understand that we are out of money. We could not afford to be the policemen of world even if we wanted to be.

And I bet if we asked the Ukrainians, a vast majority of them would prefer that the US — and Russia and the European Union — stay out their affairs and respect their sovereignty. Is it so difficult to understand why people resent being lectured and bribed by foreign governments? All we need to do is put ourselves in the place of the Ukrainians and ask ourselves how we would feel if we were in the middle of a tug-of-war between a very strong Canada on one side and a very strong Mexico on the other. We would resent it as well. So let’s keep our hands off of Ukraine and let them solve their own problems!
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:37 PM   #169
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Fake libertarian and NeoCon Max Boot and his comrade-in-arms Michael Rubin hopes the Ukrainian violence spreads to Russia--the grand prize!

As neocon Max Boot said a few days ago, Ukraine “remains the biggest prize” between Russia and the West.

But why stop with Ukraine?

Boot’s comrade-in-arms, Michael Rubin is not stopping with the smaller prize. He has his sights already fixed on the Grand Prize. Rubin hopes the abhorrent violence that the U.S. has backed in Ukraine spreads to Russia itself:
Putin has pushed Yanukovych to violence—it is a tragedy that Ukrainians didn’t have a president with higher character—because he realizes that the battle begun in the streets of Ukraine might spread to the streets of Moscow. Let us hope he is right. And let us hope that those who seek freedom and liberty triumph.
Oh and the NeoCons still want to bomb Syria without Congressional approval per NeoCon Rudy Guiliani. ( same page)


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Old 02-25-2014, 03:44 PM   #170
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Fake libertarian and NeoCon Max Boot and his comrade-in-arms Michael Rubin hopes the Ukrainian violence spreads to Russia--the grand prize!
As neocon Max Boot said a few days ago, Ukraine “remains the biggest prize” between Russia and the West.

But why stop with Ukraine?

Boot’s comrade-in-arms, Michael Rubin is not stopping with the smaller prize. He has his sights already fixed on the Grand Prize. Rubin hopes the abhorrent violence that the U.S. has backed in Ukraine spreads to Russia itself:
Putin has pushed Yanukovych to violence—it is a tragedy that Ukrainians didn’t have a president with higher character—because he realizes that the battle begun in the streets of Ukraine might spread to the streets of Moscow. Let us hope he is right. And let us hope that those who seek freedom and liberty triumph.
Oh and the NeoCons still want to bomb Syria without Congressional approval per NeoCon Rudy Guiliani. ( same page)


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Old 02-25-2014, 04:37 PM   #171
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Fake libertarian and NeoCon Max Boot and his comrade-in-arms Michael Rubin hopes the Ukrainian violence spreads to Russia--the grand prize!

As neocon Max Boot said a few days ago, Ukraine “remains the biggest prize” between Russia and the West.

But why stop with Ukraine?

Boot’s comrade-in-arms, Michael Rubin is not stopping with the smaller prize. He has his sights already fixed on the Grand Prize. Rubin hopes the abhorrent violence that the U.S. has backed in Ukraine spreads to Russia itself:
Putin has pushed Yanukovych to violence—it is a tragedy that Ukrainians didn’t have a president with higher character—because he realizes that the battle begun in the streets of Ukraine might spread to the streets of Moscow. Let us hope he is right. And let us hope that those who seek freedom and liberty triumph.
Oh and the NeoCons still want to bomb Syria without Congressional approval per NeoCon Rudy Guiliani. ( same page)


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Rubin is expressing hope that the Russian people will rise up against Putin, he's not hoping for violence just for the sake of violence. The American Revolution was violent, you know.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:02 PM   #172
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Rubin is expressing hope that the Russian people will rise up against Putin, .

That would be a terrible, terrible event if that were to occur. But it just goes to show how sick and destructive the Neo-Cons are. I was hoping they had been permanently vanquished after 2008.
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That would be a terrible, terrible event if that were to occur. But it just goes to show how sick and destructive the Neo-Cons are. I was hoping they had been permanently vanquished after 2008.
I would think that it would be a horrible, bloody revolution that could very likely fail even with mass support. Resulting in an extremely harsh stronger new government.
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I would think that it would be a horrible, bloody revolution that could very likely fail even with mass support. Resulting in an extremely harsh stronger new government.
Didn't those clowns learn their lesson already in Iraq? Of course, the problem was and always will be accountability. Neo-Con douchebags never have to actually live with the consequences of their idiotic beliefs. That, sadly, falls on their victims who have their countries destroyed.
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That would be a terrible, terrible event if that were to occur. But it just goes to show how sick and destructive the Neo-Cons are. I was hoping they had been permanently vanquished after 2008.
What would be terrible about it?
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Leave the Ukraine alone!

The usual interventionists in the US have long meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine. In 2004 it was US government money that helped finance the Orange Revolution, as US-funded NGOs favoring one political group over the other were able to change the regime. These same people have not given up on Ukraine. They keep pushing their own agenda for Ukraine behind the scenes, even as they ridicule anyone who claims US involvement.

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If you asked most Americans how they feel, my bet is that you would discover they are sick and tired of the US government getting involved in every crisis that arises. Certainly the American people want none of of this intervention in Ukraine. They understand, as recent polls have shown, that our interventionist foreign policy is only creating more enemies overseas. And they also understand that we are out of money. We could not afford to be the policemen of world even if we wanted to be.

And I bet if we asked the Ukrainians, a vast majority of them would prefer that the US — and Russia and the European Union — stay out their affairs and respect their sovereignty. Is it so difficult to understand why people resent being lectured and bribed by foreign governments? All we need to do is put ourselves in the place of the Ukrainians and ask ourselves how we would feel if we were in the middle of a tug-of-war between a very strong Canada on one side and a very strong Mexico on the other. We would resent it as well. So let’s keep our hands off of Ukraine and let them solve their own problems!
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Again, US and EU globalists are behind this. They want the Ukraine in the totalitarian EU. Goes to show why all govt's suck.
Actually, Russia is behind this. Their end game is to have southern Ukraine back. Everything is going according to plan for them so far.
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Your parents came from Ukraine, didn't they?
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From what I read the Southern area is heavily pro-Russia anyway so that's not really a concession Putin got in exchange for lowering gas prices. If they want to go to Crimea and attach it following any breakup, Crimea will easily turn Russian. It should never have been given to Ukraine anyway.
Heavily? It's half Russian. It's also been fed propaganda about how masked Nazi gunmen have taken over Kyiv and are now making their way Southeast. It's all a bunch of nonsense.

Access to Ukrainian waters was exactly why Putin lowered the prices to somewhat acceptable. The fact that there are a bunch of Mexicans living in California, doesn't give Mexico the right to start building army bases there, does it?


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Say whatever you want, but Ukraine won't be any better off pissing on their Russian neighbors. Which is all this coup did. Their only way out is to pray the EU and America make them economic "wards of the state" and lavish them with welfare checks for many decades.


Which after watching what IMF did to Spain, Greece et al with austerity measures, doesn't seem likely!
What the **** are you even saying? Russia has been fleecing Ukraine with gas prices for two decades. Now they bring the price down to what everyone else in Europe is paying and Ukraine is supposed to revert back to a shittier version of Soviet Union where instead of the Communist Party, everything is ran by oligarchs and corrupt politicians in return? Bitch, please.

I am OK with Ukraine going through rough economic times if it means shedding the bullshit she's currently mired in.
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Yuck.
Yeah, and what the hell is a US Senator who is supposed to represent the state of Arizona even doing over in the Ukraine? These guys think they're Roman Senators and rule the world.
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