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Old 02-19-2014, 09:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-25-2014, 07:30 PM   #181
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Actually, Russia is behind this. Their end game is to have southern Ukraine back. Everything is going according to plan for them so far.
If'n you read all that I wrote, Russia was mentioned as well.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:34 PM   #182
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Rubin is expressing hope that the Russian people will rise up against Putin, he's not hoping for violence just for the sake of violence. The American Revolution was violent, you know.
It's none of his business is what it is. I doubt his interest ends at just having an opinion though.

Russia has never been a country of liberty even under the Czars. It's always had authoritarian govts. This has nothing to do with liberty, democracy or freedom.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:36 PM   #183
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It's none of his business is what it is. I doubt his interest ends at just having an opinion though.

Russia has never been a country of liberty even under the Czars. It's always had authoritarian govts. This has nothing to do with liberty, democracy or freedom.
You're participating in this thread despite the fact that you don't think Ukraine is any of your business. He was doing nothing more than you are... expressing an opinion from afar.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:37 PM   #184
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You're participating in this thread despite the fact that you don't think Ukraine is any of your business. He was doing nothing more than you are... expressing an opinion from afar.
I said: "I doubt his interest ends at just having an opinion though."

My opinion is to leave the Ukrainians alone--PERIOD! By all, but especially those inciting things like the EU and US NeoCons.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:47 PM   #185
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That would be a terrible, terrible event if that were to occur. But it just goes to show how sick and destructive the Neo-Cons are. I was hoping they had been permanently vanquished after 2008.
They're fighting for air but are still kicking. One good sign is they are in full attack mode on non-regime-leaning libertarians like Tom Woods etc with articles. But that's a sign they're scared of the non-interventionist message. So they're fighting back. You can even see it on Fox's The Factor who is attacking the internet and what messages are on it.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:55 PM   #186
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Based on the brief description of Rubin's book, Dancing with the Devil: The Perils of Engaging Rogue Regimes and the endorsements for it--all leading NeoCons like Bolton ( one of the worst of the bunch), Rubin is not merely sharing his opinion. He is a resident member of the American Enterprise Institute--the premier NeoCon think-tank when it existed I guess. Just as I thought he is for meddling and intervention.

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:14 PM   #187
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Yeah, and what the hell is a US Senator who is supposed to represent the state of Arizona even doing over in the Ukraine? These guys think they're Roman Senators and rule the world.
They sure do.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:18 PM   #188
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I said: "I doubt his interest ends at just having an opinion though."
Yes, I saw you're completely baseless speculation, but I ignored it because it was completely baseless.

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My opinion is to leave the Ukrainians alone--PERIOD! By all, but especially those inciting things like the EU and US NeoCons.
Shouldn't you be minding your own business instead of expressing an opinion about Ukraine based on your own standards?
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:19 PM   #189
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Based on the brief description of Rubin's book, Dancing with the Devil: The Perils of Engaging Rogue Regimes and the endorsements for it--all leading NeoCons like Bolton ( one of the worst of the bunch), Rubin is not merely sharing his opinion. He is a resident member of the American Enterprise Institute--the premier NeoCon think-tank when it existed I guess. Just as I thought he is for meddling and intervention.

http://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Devil-.../dp/159403723X
Bolton isn't a neocon.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:26 PM   #190
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They're fighting for air but are still kicking.
They're probably hoping Jeb Bush or Chris Christie wins so they can all infiltrate the cabinet and foriegn policy/military posts again like filthy cockroaches in a decrepite motel.
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Russia flexes military muscle as tensions rise in Ukraine's Crimea region

By Laura Smith-Spark. Phil Black and Frederik Pleitgen, CNN
updated 6:27 PM EST, Wed February 26, 2014

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- Russia ordered surprise military exercises on Ukraine's doorstep Wednesday as tensions in that country's southern Crimea region simmered, with pro-Russian demonstrators facing off against rival protesters in the city of Simferopol.

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Old 02-26-2014, 05:44 PM   #192
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U.S. military intelligence has seen some Russian naval ship movement near Ukraine since the weekend, but it sees no immediate indication the Russians are preparing for any offensive military action in Ukraine, two U.S. officials said.

The White House urged "outside actors" to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.

"We urge outside actors in the region to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and end provocative rhetoric and (take) actions to support democratically established transitional government structures and use their influence in support of unity, peace and an inclusive path forward," Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
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The White House urged "outside actors" to respect Ukraine's sovereignty.

"We urge outside actors in the region to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and end provocative rhetoric and (take) actions to support democratically established transitional government structures and use their influence in support of unity, peace and an inclusive path forward," Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.[/i]

Oooooh, that's rich coming from the USA.
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