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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 02-28-2014, 02:51 AM   #226
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Unknown soldiers occupy Crimean airports

SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine — Unidentified armed men who may belong to the Russian military are blockading an airport near Sevastopol Friday in an escalation of tensions between the neighboring states that Ukraine's interior minister is calling an "armed invasion."

"I can only describe this as a military invasion and occupation," Ukraine's new Interior Minister Arsen Avakov wrote in a post on Facebook.

The Russian foreign ministry refused to comment while a spokesman for the Russian defense ministry was not available for comment, according to the Associated Press, who attempted to contact the ministries.

Dozens of armed men in military uniforms without markings have also apparently taken over the main airport in Simferopol, the capital of Crimea, although it has not been confirmed that the men at either airport belong to Russian military units.

On Thursday, armed men seized the Crimea parliament as Russian jets streaked near the border and a newly created Ukraine government formed to try to end a crisis that threatens to split the country following the ouster of its president.

After capturing the parliament and government offices in Simferopol the masked men raised the Russian flag over the parliament building.

Ukraine's ousted President Viktor Yanukovych has a news conference scheduled Friday in Russia's south near the Ukrainian border. After surfacing in Moscow, he declared Thursday in a statement that he remains Ukraine's legitimate president.

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Old 02-28-2014, 08:23 AM   #227
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Well, Ecuador is one of the countries that's backing the Venezuelan government.
Cuba supports Venezuela too. And Cuba is in there. South American govts that hifted to the left get referred to as "Pink Tide" for that shift.
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Well, Ecuador is one of the countries that's backing the Venezuelan government.
That's nice. Is Ecuador experiencing hyperinflation and riots in the streets?

If Venezuela's government falls there will be no domino effect.
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Cuba supports Venezuela too. And there in there. South American govts shifted to the left and get referred to as "Pink Tide" for that shift.
And Cuba has been opening up to a more capitalist economy. Raul Castro has said after Fidel dies, that he is going to loosen the government's control of the economy even more and that he hasn't done it yet out of respect to Fidel. Hell Raul has even said he doubts that Cuba can remain a Communist country for very long after Fidel dies.

Latin American countries have had much more of a Leftist tilt for a long time. Acting like this is a recent trend is dumb (which is par for the course for you).
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(Reuters) - Ukraine's new prime minister said on Thursday loans worth $37 billion had gone missing from state coffers during ousted President Viktor Yanukovich's rule, and warned that unpopular measures were needed to salvage the economy.

Yeah, that sounds believable (laugh track). If it were true, then you have to wonder why the majority of voters supported him. It is a convenient excuse though for more EU + American welfare dollars. "The last guy stole from us, we need your donations!"



Reminds me a lot of when the Dems blamed everything on George W making Obama's job impossible from the get-go. And short of nuclear holocaust, setting him up to be the saving hero.
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From Russia, no love for Yanukovych

(CNN) -- He's on the outside looking in, and the view of Viktor Yanukovych seems to keep getting dimmer.

A news conference Friday from his new quarters in southeast Russia underscored just how dim his prospects appear to be, as the ousted Ukrainian President complained that his host -- and potential benefactor -- was not around and had done little to make his stay more comfortable.

"I consider that Russia must and has to act," Yanukovych told a phalanx of reporters who had assembled in the city of Rostov-on-Don, near the southwest border with Ukraine and about 700 miles south of Moscow.

He did not specify what actions he was hoping for, but made clear whom he was looking to. "Knowing the character of Mr. Vladimir Putin, I am surprised why, up 'til now, he has remained restrained, silent. That is the question."

Though he and the Russian President had talked over the phone, they had not met, said Yanukovych, who appeared to concede that he did not know where Putin stands on his ouster and was hoping for clarity -- whenever the two men get together.

"As soon as this meeting takes place, I will understand his attitude. ... It would not be correct now for me to speak about what Russia should do now. ... Russia must use all its possibilities in order to overcome this chaos, this terror which today is taking place in Ukraine. It is difficult for me to say what can come about, but I would like to say again that I am categorically against any interference with the sovereign integrity of Ukraine as a state."

The location of the news conference itself underscored his isolation. "I'm struck by the fact that he's in Rostov-on-Don and not in Moscow and that he has had a phone call with President Putin and not met," former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul told CNN. "I thought he expressed dismay that President Putin has not been more decisive to defend him."

He cited Yanukovych's comments as "signs that he is not in good standing with his current host."

For his part, Putin discussed developments in Ukraine in a telephone call with European leaders, stressing the importance of avoiding an escalation of violence, according to a statement from the Kremlin, which did not cite Yanukovych.

In a rambling news conference that lasted for more than an hour, the ousted leader spoke in Russian instead of the Ukrainian that he has used at official functions.

Though he insisted that he's still the boss and wants nothing more than to lead his country to peace, harmony and prosperity, he offered little evidence that he was in a position to do much about it.

He pleaded for forgiveness "from all who have suffered" in the chaos and violence that have roiled the country in recent weeks. He said he would "bow down to all of them, no matter which side of the barricades they were on," but then unleashed a volley of epithets targeting those who were on the side of the barricades that opposed him, referring to them as "bandits" and "fascists."

Wearing a dark business suit and tie, he cut a lonely figure as he held forth from a table, behind which stood four blue-and-yellow Ukrainian flags.

"Everything that I can do, I will do to the end of my life to be with the people of Ukraine -- not with those nationalists, not with those bandits, but the people of Ukraine," he said, adding that Western countries, including the United States, bore some of the blame for the unrest.

He said that he had left his country only after his life and the lives of his family were threatened, and that he planned to return when it is safe to do so.

"A normal way of life must be assured to the citizens of Ukraine, both in Kiev and in all regions of Ukraine," he said, and he called for a national referendum "as soon as possible."

Elections planned for May 25 in Ukraine would be illegal, he said, adding that he would not participate in them if they are held. "I consider that all the elections must take place in accordance with the law and constitution of Ukraine," he said.

Yanukovych said he was "ashamed" that he had not been able to maintain stability in his country.

"I want to apologize in front of everybody -- to the veterans, to the Ukrainian people -- that I did not have the strength to stop what is now taking place in the country from taking place," he said.

But he said that "any military action" would not be acceptable. "Ukraine must remain united and undivided," he said, adding that the Russian-majority Crimean region must remain part of the state, but given "broad autonomy."

Yanukovych, who is wanted in Ukraine on charges related to the killings of demonstrators last week in Kiev, denied having ordered police to fire on them, killing scores.

"No government can succeed with bloodshed, and everything that has taken place is the responsibility of those who did it," he said.

"I never gave any order for the police to shoot," he said, asserting that they fired in self-defense in the face of "an attack of a mass character."

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He did not specify what actions he was hoping for, but made clear whom he was looking to. "Knowing the character of Mr. Vladimir Putin, I am surprised why, up 'til now, he has remained restrained, silent. That is the question."
Probably because he doesn't have many options in the face of overt, public announcements of retaliation by America and the EU. He knows western Ukraine is lost now anyway.
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It's 23 minutes but that's not too long. Good discussion on the Ukraine between
a NeoCon, a French left-wing politician and a man from the Ron Paul Institute.

Apparently the country is facing impending default. IOWs they're running out of money.

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Soviet Legacy May Fuel Ukraine's Resistance To Russian Domination

Nikita Khrushchev transferred the Crimean peninsula to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. David Greene talks Nina Khrushcheva, the Soviet leader's great granddaughter about the history.

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Now, as Michele mentioned, one flashpoint between Russia and Ukraine is the region of Crimea, a Russian province for hundreds of years that only became part of Ukraine in 1954. At the time, Russia and Ukraine were both Soviet republics, so the transfer was largely symbolic. Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev did it to mark the 300th anniversary of a Russian-Ukrainian alliance.

NINA KHRUSHCHEVA: I think to some degree it was also a personal gesture towards his favorite republic. I mean he was ethnically Russian but he really felt great infinity with the Ukraine.

GREENE: That is the voice of Nina Khrushcheva, Khrushchev's great granddaughter and a professor of international affairs at the New School in New York. She recalls that Khrushchev served as Ukraine's communist boss after the Great Famine as the 1930s killed millions. The Soviets had collectivized farms and confiscated crops, destroying a vital breadbasket.

KHRUSHCHEVA: Khrushchev tried to do something about it, not that he was not a Soviet despot himself. I just always want to make sure that I'm not going to be accused of bias.

GREENE: Nina Khrushcheva believes the brutal Soviet legacy is fueling resistance to Russian domination today.

KHRUSHCHEVA: Throughout all Soviet history, there would always be a Russia first, Ukraine second. That has been really ingrained into the Russian psyche, that these are all smaller, inferior, nor as important nations, and I think the battle for Kiev and, you know, now the dispute over Crimea comes from that.

GREENE: Yeah, this is a history that it's worth sort of pausing on for a moment. Kiev is where Russian culture was born in the 9th century. This is where Russian orthodoxy began. I mean can Russians imagine Ukraine falling out of Moscow's orbit?

NINA KHRUSHCHEVA: I think they can. I mean, you know, Ukraine really fell out of Moscow's orbit in '91. It became an independent country so that was the first step. Then, in 2004, during the Orange Revolution, because we want to remember that Viktor Yanukovych already - already became president then in 2004, but then...

GREENE: And then didn't.

KHRUSHCHEVA: Elections were rigged, right, it didn't take. He was ousted by the Orange Revolution, which actually really showed how different Ukrainians and Russians are, because Ukrainians were able to stick to their guns and say, you know, we don't want to be oppressed. We want our vote matter.

GREENE: I wonder, I mean we've been hearing about the instability in Ukraine right now. The U.S. government and Britain's prime minister warning Vladimir Putin to stay out of Ukraine and not intervene. What's your prediction? Will Vladimir Putin send troops in to maintain control in Crimea? Will he act in some way like that?

KHRUSHCHEVA: Well, I don't want to predict because I don't want to end up with egg on my face, but I did write about this in Reuters that when Putin starts using the tough language of anti-state coup and whatever else they're talking about now, I think in front of the peninsula they're parading their military ship just to show that, if anything, they can come in, in my experience when Russians start speaking this way, they actually send those tanks.

I think it would be not very wise for Putin to do that because, once again, Ukraine's showed that it can really stick to its guns, but he probably believes that even showing the force and showing that he can do this will be quite enough.

GREENE: Take me to what you know of your great grandfather, a complicated Soviet despot, as you said. What would the Khrushchev from the 1950s think of the way Putin is handling Ukraine today?

KHRUSHCHEVA: He probably would say Ukraine needs independence because at the end of his memoirs he apologized to all the people he kind of insulted along the way and really spoke about the fact that the Soviet Union should not dictate other countries or people how to behave and act. So I don't think that Putin would be his hero.

And once again in 1968, when the Soviet Union sent tanks to Czechoslovakia at the time to suppress the Prague Spring, it came 12 years after Khrushchev himself suppressed a liberal revolt in Hungary, in Budapest, also sending tanks. And that's why I'm sort of wary - when Russians start threatening tanks, the tanks are not far behind anyways.

Anyway, so when '68 happened and he was very upset and he said, well, you know, it has been 12 years and we haven't learned a better way. So if he said that in '68 and now it has been over 50 years, I think he would be stunned that the Soviet Union or Russia today, Putin's Russia, really hasn't learned a better way.

GREENE: Nina Khrushcheva is an associate professor of international affairs at The New School in New York City. Her book coming out in April is called "The Lost Khrushchev: A Journey Into the Gulag of the Russian Mind." Professor, thanks so much for joining us.

KHRUSHCHEVA: Thank you.

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Apparently the country is facing impending default. IOWs they're running out of money.

That's why they're blaming the evil meanie who "stole" all their money. Before him everything was humming along. This no doubt means that the EU and America will now fleece its own taxpayers with an enormous bailout in order to "solve" the crisis the meanie caused.
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That's why they're blaming the evil meanie who "stole" all their money. Before him everything was humming along. This no doubt means that the EU and America will now fleece its own taxpayers with an enormous bailout in order to "solve" the crisis the meanie caused.
If we were to audit our budget and somehow during the audit it was revealed that $11736360000000 went missing over the course of Obama's presidency...would you want to know why, or would you blame George Bush?
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Apparently Nuland admitted that the US invested $5 Billion in regime change or to change things there.

When the Soviet empire fell, many of the former communists who were in power later became corrupt wealthy oligarchs. Same in Ukraine. But Putin, as bad as he is, is not as oppressive as some of the Central Asian regimes. Karimov of Uzbekistan boiled some of his enemies alive. He's a former communist too.
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Pres on now about Ukraine.

"There will be costs to any military intervention in the Ukraine (by Russia.)"
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If we were to audit our budget and somehow during the audit it was revealed that $11736360000000 went missing over the course of Obama's presidency...would you want to know why, or would you blame George Bush?
That's not really relevant because American taxpayers have no vested interest in Ukraine.
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UNITED NATIONS (AP) Ukraine's U.N. ambassador says he has told the U.N. Security Council that Russian military helicopters and transport planes are entering his country and Russian armed forces seized Crimea's main airport.

Ukraine's Ambassador Yuriy Sergeyev told reporters Friday outside the council that neither major airport in Crimea is under national control and that the main airport was "captured by Russian armed forces."

He said 11 Russian attack helicopters had been brought in along with Mi-24 military transport planes.

Sergeyev said Russian "groupies" in Crimea are challenging Ukraine's national authority.

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