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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-01-2014, 11:34 AM   #286
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very curious. i was watching the contents of that video happen on a live stream as it occurred, and had no idea who the guy was, or what he was saying. all i knew for sure was that the crowd seemed to be behind what he was saying a lot more than any of the opposition leaders who were speaking just before him. in the days since i'd read about how a random guy jumped on the stage and seized the mic to "rally the crowd". last night I ran across that article on Parasiuk, which helped clear things up for me a bit. the CC translation was not quite word-for-word, as I suspected, and I thank you very much for providing a more complete translation.
Man, I actually didn't know they had subs when I wrote that up. They did a better job of getting the meaning across than I did in certain parts, to be honest with you. But yeah, no problem and thanks for the kind words.
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:36 AM   #287
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No.

It's only funny because we're so terrible at international diplomacy we're laughable now.

Putin could go fishing or sailing with Bush and convince him, over time, he was the bestest buddy in the world.

Obama just sits there on the ground looking stupid after Putin pushes him down and goes through his lunch box...
Putin is batshit crazy which makes it somewhat difficult to deal with him diplomatically.

The guys misses the USSR and the Cold War days.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:03 PM   #288
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No.

It's only funny because we're so terrible at international diplomacy we're laughable now.

Putin could go fishing or sailing with Bush and convince him, over time, he was the bestest buddy in the world.

Obama just sits there on the ground looking stupid after Putin pushes him down and goes through his lunch box...
So he's all like:

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Old 03-01-2014, 12:07 PM   #289
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Putin is batshit crazy which makes it somewhat difficult to deal with him diplomatically.

The guys misses the USSR and the Cold War days.
While I don't disagree, Barack counters with being a bleeding-vag pussy in such matters. If he has half the balls in matters like these as he has with ordering Holder to rip apart the constitution and the American way, he'd be less laughed at by the international community.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:14 PM   #290
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What Pants never admits is that 1/2 the nation didn't approve of the coup. Its the height of hilarity when the new, unelected leaders suddenly call for peace and calm after they stole power.



Let me say that one more time so nobody misses it: they are unelected.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:38 PM   #291
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Putin making Obama look like the weak-spined, shit talking, bag of wind he is.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:45 PM   #292
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While I may not like Putin, or his Commie ways, it's kind of fun watching him punk our stupid ****ing president like we all wish we could.

I really don't give a rat's ass about the Ukraine because they're all a bunch of commie dipshits themselves, so I'm fine with Putin ****ing them up just to show the world that Barack is a dumb ****er and a pussy jabber-jaw ****-whore-bitch of a woman.

I say get save all the hot Ukrainian women, then let nature take its course.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:53 PM   #293
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No.

It's only funny because we're so terrible at international diplomacy we're laughable now.

Putin could go fishing or sailing with Bush and convince him, over time, he was the bestest buddy in the world.

Obama just sits there on the ground looking stupid after Putin pushes him down and goes through his lunch box...
Putin didn't pull these stunts when Bush was president, but now he's unchecked because the west is without any leadership.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:53 PM   #294
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Putin ready to invade Ukraine, troops seize Crimea

(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded and won his parliament's approval on Saturday to invade Ukraine, where his troops have apparently already seized the Crimea peninsula, spurning Western pleas for restraint.

Talk of confrontation or outright war spread rapidly across Ukraine, with pro-Moscow demonstrators raising the Russian flag above government buildings in several cities and anti-Russian politicians calling for mobilization.

Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk said Russian military intervention would lead to war and any relations with Moscow. He called for a political solution.

Putin's open assertion of the right to deploy troops in a country of 46 million people on the ramparts of central Europe creates the biggest confrontation between Russia and the West since the Cold War.

It also rebuffs Western leaders who had repeatedly urged Russia not to intervene, including U.S. President Barack Obama, who just a day before had held a televised address to warn Moscow of "costs" if it acted.

Troops with no uniform insignia but clearly Russian - some in vehicles with Russian number plates - have already seized Crimea, an isolated peninsula in the Black Sea where Moscow has a large military presence in the headquarters of its Black Sea Fleet. Kiev's new authorities have been powerless to intervene.

Western capitals scrambled for a response, but so far this has been limited to angry words from Washington and its European allies. A U.S. official said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel had spoken to his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu. The official said there had been no change in U.S. military posture.

EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton said Russia's authorization of force was an unwarranted escalation and called on Moscow not to send troops. Sweden's Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said it was "clearly against international law". Czech President Milos Zeman recalled the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

"Urgent need for de-escalation in Crimea," tweeted NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen. "NATO allies continue to coordinate closely."

Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.

The upper house swiftly delivered a unanimous yes vote, shown on live television.

The authorization to use force in Ukraine would last "until the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country", Putin said in his request. His justification - the need to protect Russian citizens - was the same as he used to launch a 2008 invasion of Georgia, where Russian forces seized two breakaway regions and recognized them as independent.

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So far there has been no sign of Russian military action in Ukraine outside Crimea, the only part of the country with a Russian ethnic majority, which has often voiced separatist aims.

A potentially bigger risk would be conflict spreading to the rest of Ukraine, where the sides could not be easily kept apart.

As tension built on Saturday, demonstrations occasionally turned violent in eastern cities, where most people, though ethnically Ukrainian, are Russian speakers, and many support deposed President Viktor Yanukovich and Moscow.

Demonstrators flew Russian flags at government buildings in the cities of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk.

In Kharkiv, scores of people were wounded in clashes when thousands of pro-Russian activists stormed the regional government headquarters, and fought pitched battles with a smaller number of supporters of Ukraine's new authorities.

Pro-Russian demonstrators wielded axe handles and chains against those defending the building with plastic shields.

In Donetsk, Yanukovich's home region, lawmakers declared they were seeking a referendum on the region's status.

"We do not recognize the authorities in Kiev, they are not legitimate," protest leader Pavel Guberev thundered from a podium in Donetsk.

Thousands of followers, holding a giant Russian flag and chanting "Russia, Russia" marched to the government headquarters and replaced the Ukrainian flag with Russia's.

Coal miner Gennady Pavlov said Putin's declaration of the right to intervene was "right".

"It is time to put an end to this lawlessness. Russians are out brothers. I support the forces."

"WAR HAS ARRIVED"

Although there was little doubt that the troops without insignia that have already seized Crimea are Russian, the Kremlin has not yet openly confirmed it. It described Saturday's authorization as a threat for future action rather than confirmation that its soldiers are already involved.

A Kremlin spokesman said Putin had not yet decided to use force, and still hoped to avoid further escalation.

The rapid pace of events has rattled the new leaders of Ukraine, who took power in a nation on the verge of bankruptcy when Yanukovich fled Kiev last week after his police killed scores of anti-Russian protesters in Kiev. Ukraine's crisis began in November when Yanukovich, at Moscow's behest, abandoned a free trade pact with the EU for closer ties with Russia.

After Putin's announcement of his call to intervene, Ukraine's acting president, Oleksander Turchynov, called a meeting of his security chiefs. Vitaly Klitschko, another anti-Yanukovich leader, called for general mobilization.

On Kiev's central Independence Square, where protesters camped out for months against Yanukovich, a World War Two film about Crimea was being shown on a giant screen, when Yuri Lutsenko, a former interior minister, interrupted it to announce: "War has arrived."

Hundreds of Ukrainians descended on the square chanting "Glory to the heroes. Death to the occupiers."

In Crimea itself, the arrival of troops was cheered by the Russian majority. In the coastal town of Balaclava, where Russian-speaking troops in armored vehicles with black Russian number plates had encircled a small garrison of Ukrainian border guards, families posed for pictures with the soldiers. A wedding party honked its car horns.

"I want to live with Russia. I want to join Russia," said Alla Batura, a petite 71-year-old pensioner who has lived in Sevastopol for 50 years. "They are good lads...They are protecting us, so we feel safe."

But not everyone was reassured. Inna, 21, a clerk in a nearby shop who came out to stare at the APCs, said: "I am in shock. I don't understand what the hell this is... People say they came here to protect us. Who knows? ... All of our (Ukrainian) military are probably out at sea by now."

For many in Ukraine, the prospect of a military conflict chilled the blood.

"When a Slav fights another Slav, the result is devastating," said Natalia Kuharchuk, a Kiev accountant.

"God save us."

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Old 03-01-2014, 12:57 PM   #295
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What Pants never admits is that 1/2 the nation didn't approve of the coup. Its the height of hilarity when the new, unelected leaders suddenly call for peace and calm after they stole power.



Let me say that one more time so nobody misses it: they are unelected.
Why should he admit it when you're just making it up? I don't know how many people supported the coup, but support for Ukraine to continue it's move toward the EU was pretty overwhelming. One poll even indicates that even in the eastern and southern sections of the country, where people tend to be more sympathetic with Russia, 50% of the people were in favor of joining the EU.
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:13 PM   #296
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I say get save all the hot Ukrainian women, then let nature take its course.
Have them all pregnant? Is that what you mean by nature taking its course?
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Why should he admit it when you're just making it up? I don't know how many people supported the coup, but support for Ukraine to continue it's move toward the EU was pretty overwhelming. One poll even indicates that even in the eastern and southern sections of the country, where people tend to be more sympathetic with Russia, 50% of the people were in favor of joining the EU.
How can anyone take an accurate poll over there? Who's poll is this?

A professor was on Fox saying it was half and half. So they're divided on it. Then insistence of the Western globalists trying to lure them into their sphere was the first mistake. It was designed to provoke, agitate and divide as well as anger the Bear.

Besides, the EU just may break up. A lot of Europeans are not happy with it. If that happened, it would be the best thing for the world.
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Why should he admit it when you're just making it up? I don't know how many people supported the coup, but support for Ukraine to continue it's move toward the EU was pretty overwhelming. One poll even indicates that even in the eastern and southern sections of the country, where people tend to be more sympathetic with Russia, 50% of the people were in favor of joining the EU.
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Have them all pregnant? Is that what you mean by nature taking its course?
Sure, that too I guess... But I was referring to Putin finishing the job of making sure the world knows Barack is a powerless little punk.
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Sure, that too I guess... But I was referring to Putin finishing the job of making sure the world knows Barack is a powerless little punk.
That comes when you're spread too thin and have financial problems. This is how all empires have ended. Before us, it was how the British Empire ended. They were broke from being all over the glove and in so many wars.
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