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Old 02-19-2014, 09:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 06-02-2014, 08:34 PM   #3121
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I don't recall saying the fascist took over. I do recall saying the choices in the election were all fascist though. Is that what you mean? You're gonna have to use a quote and link the page as well so I can see the context.
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How can Russia be a bully if the people in Crimea or the Ukraine want to be with it?
Then not criticize those who overthrew the govt there earlier who are made up of Neo Nazis? Logic fail all around.

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'Er well actually you're with the Neo-Nazi or Neo-Fascists we put in power in Kiev, patteeu.

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I brought up how Ukrainians had past pogroms against Jews.

I also stated that the ones who overthrew the govt there were Neo-Nazis but Pants denied it. Now neo-Nazis also hate communists and many jews were also communists during the Bolshevik revolutions. Today, many of the oligarchs we here about are Jewish too. Amazing, the players we use or ally with while supporting Israel at the same time. The place is a mess. It has no strategic value to us.
I hope this is enough. I really don't feel like spending too much time on this.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:40 PM   #3122
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"We" meaning you and Natasha and KCN? While everyone else INCLUDING the actual President did exactly what I said. Boy you really got one over on me!

You're dangerously stupid and you don't even realize it. You live in your own little world.
You know you're desperate when you're reduced to saying "Obama did what I woulda done!"
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:28 PM   #3123
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What an effing crook this Ambassador is:

The Ambassador of Ukraine says “Of course, $27 billion is only the minimum [IMF] rescue package for the Ukrainian economy…”

Bailouts of governments are the same as bailouts of any bank or company, financial or industrial. They reward incompetence, corruption, theft, and wrong policies.
The right claims to be against rewarding incompetence and wrong policies by corporations but I don't see any outcry in rewarding incompetence, wrong policies, as well as corruption and theft by govts.

The United States funds the largest portion of the IMF. So I classify Ukraine has not different than any other parasitic welfare recipient.

Mismanaged governments get bailouts too.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:43 PM   #3124
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Since the overthrow of pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich in February, Russia has demanded a sharp increase in the price Ukraine pays for gas. Kiev says it cannot afford it and wants the discounted price it negotiated in the past.

While the dispute has dragged on, Gazprom has continued billing Kiev at the higher rate. It says Ukraine already owes it more than $5 billion in unpaid bills and is running up more debt at a rate of more than $1 billion per month.

But after Kiev paid off $786 million of its gas debt, Gazprom announced a six-day extension of the deadline until June 9.

Imagine getting a $500 bill from Kansas Gas and paying only $78 of it.
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:04 PM   #3125
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At long last it has happened. In 14 years I have never had anyone on ignore till now. Guess who?
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:09 PM   #3126
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:14 AM   #3127
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Thought this WaPo editorial today was a good time to bump this thread and to re-read what the Russophobes here were saying about "Crazy" Vladimir.


Was Putin right about Syria?
By Ishaan Tharoor August 22


What a difference a year makes. Around this time last year, the West was gearing up for military action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who was accused of carrying out chemical weapons attacks on his own people. That intervention never came to pass, not least because domestic public opinion in countries such as Britain and the United States was opposed to further entanglements in the Middle East.

Now, the U.S. is contemplating extending airstrikes on Islamic State militants operating in Iraq in Syria — fighters belonging to a terrorist organization that is leading the war against Assad. The Islamic State's territorial gains in Iraq and continued repression and slaughter of religious minorities there and in Syria have rightly triggered global condemnation. "I am no apologist for the Assad regime," Ryan Crocker, a former U.S. ambassador to Syria, told NPR. "But in terms of our security, [the Islamic State] is by far the greatest threat."

The irony of the moment is tragic. But to some, it doesn't come as much of a surprise. Many cautioned against the earlier insistence of the Obama administration (as well as other governments) that Assad must go, fearing what would take hold in the vacuum.

One of those critics happened to be Russian President Vladimir Putin, who warned against U.S. intervention in Syria in a New York Times op-ed last September. He wrote:

A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.




Putin decried the growing Islamist cadres in the Syrian rebels' ranks:
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria?
That's a concern very publicly shared now by U.S. and European officials, who are alarmed by the considerable presence of European nationals among the Islamic State's forces.
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I suppose I'm not seeing it. We didn't strike and a new wave of terrorism was unleashed anyway.
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:34 PM   #3129
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I suppose I'm not seeing it. We didn't strike and a new wave of terrorism was unleashed anyway.
Toppling Assad (which was our stated demand below link ) would've made ISIS even more powerful in that vacuum. This isn't hard to follow Dong
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:42 PM   #3130
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Toppling Assad (which was our stated demand below link ) would've made ISIS even more powerful in that vacuum. This isn't hard to follow Dong
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...bashar-assad-/
Yeah, and Assad wasn't toppled and IS has still been unleashed. So, again, I faile to see the point of giving Putin credit for being right.
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Now that the Obama fan club at WaPo is even agreeing with Putin on this, it appears the only two idiots left in his fan club are you & John McCain.
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Ukraine is about to default too.

Another basketcase country we poured billions of taxpayer dollars into.
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