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Old 02-19-2014, 09:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-01-2014, 02:33 PM   #301
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How can anyone take an accurate poll over there? Who's poll is this?

A professor was on Fox saying it was half and half. So they're divided on it. Then insistence of the Western globalists trying to lure them into their sphere was the first mistake. It was designed to provoke, agitate and divide as well as anger the Bear.

Besides, the EU just may break up. A lot of Europeans are not happy with it. If that happened, it would be the best thing for the world.
There is a lot of recent historical animosity between Ukrainians and Russians. The Soviet Union was not kind to Ukrainians to say the least.
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Old 03-01-2014, 02:55 PM   #302
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That comes when you're spread too thin and have financial problems. This is how all empires have ended. Before us, it was how the British Empire ended. They were broke from being all over the glove and in so many wars.
Yup... So ****ing Barack should have just kept his God dammed mother-****ing mouth shut and focused on problems here.

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Old 03-01-2014, 03:18 PM   #303
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Why should he admit it when you're just making it up? I don't know how many people supported the coup, but support for Ukraine to continue it's move toward the EU was pretty overwhelming. One poll even indicates that even in the eastern and southern sections of the country, where people tend to be more sympathetic with Russia, 50% of the people were in favor of joining the EU.
That's not what this story says. Not even close:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...right-violence
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:21 PM   #304
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The world is paying a lot more attention to Ukraine. Ukraine also is much more affiliated with the west, is not currently bombing the living shit out of one of its own regions, and has a ton more money than Georgia. Plus, it's a week after Putin's hometown Olympics.

Not the same.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:23 PM   #305
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If Ukraine was really affiliated with the West, Yanukovic would've never been elected.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:36 PM   #306
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How can anyone take an accurate poll over there? Who's poll is this?

A professor was on Fox saying it was half and half. So they're divided on it. Then insistence of the Western globalists trying to lure them into their sphere was the first mistake. It was designed to provoke, agitate and divide as well as anger the Bear.

Besides, the EU just may break up. A lot of Europeans are not happy with it. If that happened, it would be the best thing for the world.
It says in the article who took the polls (I don't know anything about the organizations). The polls were taken well before the violence started, so I'm not sure why you think it would be hard to take a poll. We're not talking about a primitive country like Afghanistan or Somolia, here.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:41 PM   #307
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That's not what this story says. Not even close:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...right-violence
The story is talking about support for the protest movement, not support for a more EU-centric foreign policy. Another thing your article doesn't say is that the country was split 50/50 on the revolt, which is what you originally claimed.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:46 PM   #308
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Holy hell this thread is mind boggling.

I fully understand guys like Pete who want nothing to do with involving the USA in other countries' conflicts... but the blatant (and obviously ignorant) appeasement oriented propaganda coming from BEP and PB is disgusting.

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Old 03-01-2014, 03:47 PM   #309
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If Ukraine was really affiliated with the West, Yanukovic would've never been elected.
Up until recently, Yanukovic was in favor of membership in the EU. He reversed course when Russia offered $15 billion in aid contingent on a change of direction.

In 2010, shortly after his election:

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"I underscored once again that European Union membership remains Ukraine's strategic goal," he said.
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The story is talking about support for the protest movement, not support for a more EU-centric foreign policy. Another thing your article doesn't say is that the country was split 50/50 on the revolt, which is what you originally claimed.

Ukraine is split practically 50/50 over the accession to the European Union or the Customs Union. Europe is favored by 39 percent of Ukrainians, and 37 percent prefer the Customs Union, said the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology.


Same as before, the European Union is mostly chosen over the Customs Union in the western and central regions (69 percent vs. 11 percent and 43 percent vs. 27 percent), while the Customs Union is more popular in the southern and eastern regions (51 percent vs. 29 percent and 61 percent vs. 15 percent).

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...ns-332470.html
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Another thing your article doesn't say is that the country was split 50/50 on the revolt, which is what you originally claimed.

It's precisely what the article states:


According to the polls, support for Euromaidan is heavily concentrated in the western and central regions, while Ukrainians living in the east and the south of the country overwhelmingly disapprove.
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Old 03-01-2014, 04:13 PM   #313
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What Pants never admits is that 1/2 the nation didn't approve of the coup. Its the height of hilarity when the new, unelected leaders suddenly call for peace and calm after they stole power.



Let me say that one more time so nobody misses it: they are unelected.
Well, first of all, it's way less than half of the country. 2nd of all, I will readily admit that there are Ukrainian citizens who did not identify with nor approve of the Maidan protests. I will not go into the intricacies of the Ukrainian culture dynamics with you here because I just don't have that energy to waste on you because you are you.

I hope you agree, though, that what Putin is doing is ****ing insane. You can't ignore a nation's sovereignty (especially since you ****ing guaranteed it in exchange for that country's nuclear disarmament) because some brainwashed Ukrainian citizen afraid of the "Western fascists" are calling for your help.

If American citizens started calling for Mexico to come aid them in southern California with military presence, would it be OK for Mexico to do that?
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I hope you agree, though, that what Putin is doing is ****ing insane. You can't ignore a nation's sovereignty (especially since you ****ing guaranteed it in exchange for that country's nuclear disarmament) because some brainwashed Ukrainian citizen afraid of the "Western fascists" are calling for your help.
I don't take any position on the thinking of Vlad Putin because the matter is irrelevant to me. It doesn't involve my country in the slightest. If they want to topple Yanukovich or not it isn't worth one drop of blood from an American soldier or one penny from an American taxpayer.


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If American citizens started calling for Mexico to come aid them in southern California with military presence, would it be OK for Mexico to do that?
I don't know how that analogy works. I think a better question would be what we'd think if Democrats stormed the White House and tossed George W out, or vice versa if the Tea Party did the same to Obama.
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While I may not like Putin, or his Commie ways, it's kind of fun watching him punk our stupid ****ing president like we all wish we could.

I really don't give a rat's ass about the Ukraine because they're all a bunch of commie dipshits themselves, so I'm fine with Putin ****ing them up just to show the world that Barack is a dumb ****er and a pussy jabber-jaw ****-whore-bitch of a woman.

I say get save all the hot Ukrainian women, then let nature take its course.
Your dumbassery makes me want to rage at first but then I just start laughing to myself.

Let's take Barack out of the equation. What would you have your President do in this situation? Please enlighten me. How would you want this President to act in order to show that he is not a"dumb ****er and a pussy jabber-jaw ****-whore-bitch of a woman"?

I am dying to find out.
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