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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 08-24-2014, 07:14 PM   #3136
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They'll just blame their bogeyman Putin for whatever ill befalls them. It's all so convenient. Sometimes I think we create bogeymen to cover our own asses for our failures.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:58 PM   #3137
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"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”

Donger's hero said that.
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Old 08-25-2014, 07:15 AM   #3138
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Here's a hilarious video clip from February where Obummer is lecturing Putin on "human rights" in Syria. Fast forward six months, and the US is now finally understanding what Assad was facing there.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...ne-syria-video



This is a good lesson for all those on this thread who, back at the same time, jumped on the Ukraine bandwagon.
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:43 AM   #3139
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And now the new US-EU backed govt is trying ethnically cleanse East Ukraine of Russians.

The country is large enough to be broken up into more than one since one govt can't please enough of them.
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:27 PM   #3140
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Now even the Brits are throwing in the towel on the Assad question:


The philosophical turnaround was no more graphically illustrated than in the interview given to the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning by the former head of the British army, Lord Dannatt. And what he said essentially was that “we” should have been better informed about the history and geopolitics of Syria a year ago and if we had been so informed, we would have had more time for Assad. Now, overtly or covertly, we have to get talking to him because the enemy of our enemy has to be, in the most basic practical sense, our friend.

What he did not say, but might have raised a chuckle or two in Moscow, was that a year ago the Russians (“our” other new enemy) were right.
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:35 PM   #3141
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Now even the Brits are throwing in the towel on the Assad question:


The philosophical turnaround was no more graphically illustrated than in the interview given to the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning by the former head of the British army, Lord Dannatt. And what he said essentially was that “we” should have been better informed about the history and geopolitics of Syria a year ago and if we had been so informed, we would have had more time for Assad. Now, overtly or covertly, we have to get talking to him because the enemy of our enemy has to be, in the most basic practical sense, our friend.

What he did not say, but might have raised a chuckle or two in Moscow, was that a year ago the Russians (“our” other new enemy) were right.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...foreign-policy
I understand you want to have Putin's baby, but why do you keep saying this? We DIDN'T attack Syria and violence has increased anyway and a new wave of terrorism has been unleashed. Putin wasn't right.

Although I don't like to admit it, McCain was likely right. I didn't see it at the time, but he was.
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Old 09-08-2014, 06:11 PM   #3142
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The Economist and Forbes have now essentially declared eastern Ukraine lost now.


For a pretty sobering account of what's happened to the Ukraine forces over there the past month, see the New York Review: "Ukraine: A Catastrophic Defeat"



The scale of the devastation suffered by Ukrainian forces in southeastern Ukraine over the last week has to be seen to be believed. It amounts to a catastrophic defeat and will long be remembered by embittered Ukrainians as among the darkest days of their history.

A week ago a major rebel offensive began. On September 3 on a sixteen-mile stretch of road from the village of Novokaterinivka to the town of Ilovaysk, I counted the remains of sixty-eight military vehicles, tanks, armored personnel carriers, pick-ups, buses, and trucks in which a large but as yet unknown number of Ukrainian soldiers died as they tried to flee the area between August 28 and September 1. They had been ambushed by rebel forces and, according to survivors, soldiers from the army of the Russian Federation.

These destroyed vehicles were of course only the ones I could see—those that were not destroyed are now in the hands of rebels. In Novokaterinivka, which is twenty-eight miles southeast of the rebel-held city of Donetsk, the body of a Ukrainian soldier was folded over the high power cable onto which he had been flung when his armored vehicle exploded, his clothes hanging off him. In what was left of the vehicle nearby were the charred remains of half a man and the grilled body of another, left where he had been sitting when he was killed
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Old 09-08-2014, 06:14 PM   #3143
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. In Novokaterinivka, which is twenty-eight miles southeast of the rebel-held city of Donetsk, the body of a Ukrainian soldier was folded over the high power cable onto which he had been flung when his armored vehicle exploded, his clothes hanging off him. In what was left of the vehicle nearby were the charred remains of half a man and the grilled body of another, left where he had been sitting when he was killed
Another product of needless American intervention. More death that needn't have been the case.
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Another product of needless American intervention. More death that needn't have been the case.
How did we intervene again?
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Old 09-08-2014, 07:06 PM   #3145
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Another product of needless American intervention. More death that needn't have been the case.
John McCain, center, greets well-wishers in Independence Square in Kiev. Photograph: Sergei Chuzavkov/AP



Think he'll attend any of the funerals of the young men being ambushed in battle? Yeah, me neither. Those aren't nearly as fun.
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Old 09-08-2014, 07:42 PM   #3146
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John McCain, center, greets well-wishers in Independence Square in Kiev. Photograph: Sergei Chuzavkov/AP



Think he'll attend any of the funerals of the young men being ambushed in battle? Yeah, me neither. Those aren't nearly as fun.
And here I thought McCain represented the state of Arizona in America.
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BEP, you've claimed that you supported our actions against the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Would you care to explain why you supported that then?
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Hard to believe that assclown was 1 election away from being Commander In Chief.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:33 PM   #3149
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Hard to believe that assclown was 1 election away from being Commander In Chief.
Why? Ukraine was moving toward the EU and Yanukovich did a U-turn and turned toward Russia.

You probably think that was his doing, right? No Russian influence at all?

Why shouldn't we support our tacit allies who are opposed to Russia, who clearly aren't our allies?

Why do you support Russian aggression?
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Ukraine isn't our ally, we've been through this already. Allies are nations who give you something as well as take. Ukraine gives us nothing - of course they want to be our "ally".

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I agree with you that it's sad John McCain, John Kerry and Victoria Nuland support it. Without them, these poor Ukrainians may not be dying.
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