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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-01-2014, 07:52 PM   #361
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:05 PM   #362
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It's Kristol, but it's still succinct of where we are today
A "security relationship", huh? You mean, like a NATO base in Ukraine? I've got to give Kristol credit, he's one hell of a shill.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:06 PM   #363
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Apparently the Obama administration was caught off guard by the most widely predicted Russian invasion ever.

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One former U.S. intelligence officer told The Daily Beast he expects Russian operatives to begin launching false flag style operations designed to look like terrorist attacks or arms shipments to anti-Russian groups in Crimea and to leak alleged conversations implicating Kiev and the CIA in these drummed up events.

“Putin's aim is to show that he is in the catbird seat, and there is nothing we can do about it,” this former officer said. “He's like a kid with a can of gasoline and a book of matches, and he laughs as Obama tries to deliver lectures on how fire is dangerous. Indeed, Putin throws banana peels on the ground, and Obama manages to slip on every one of them. I've never seen anything like it.”
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:08 PM   #364
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A "security relationship", huh? You mean, like a NATO base in Ukraine? I've got to give Kristol credit, he's one hell of a shill.
Shill for who or what?
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:09 PM   #365
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Seems like people are missing the "facing America" portion of the statement.
You do really make a lot of good arguments but if Obama sits on his arse on this one he needs to be taken to the shed. Now if he acts I will give him some props.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:12 PM   #366
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You do really make a lot of good arguments but if Obama sits on his arse on this one he needs to be taken to the shed. Now if he acts I will give him some props.
What do you want him to do?
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:25 PM   #367
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What do you want him to do?
I want a direct financial attack on the Russian oligarchy... not any of this "throw them out of the G8" nonsense. Most of what I have heard proposed might hurt the people you are after SOME but it will definitely hurt Russians in general and that shouldn't be our aim. If push comes to shove and that is necessary then so be it.. but we should start by making it IMPOSSIBLE for the many Russian billionaires who are in bed with Putin to enjoy life OUTSIDE of Russia.

Take away Abramovich's yachts(worth around $750 million) and the Chelsea Football Club (worth about $1 billion). Seriously. Seize all of it immediately. Freeze every single asset he PERSONALLY has abroad. Any and every single person with the most remote "business" tie to Putin.

Do that and Vegas odds are that Putin wouldn't last 72 hours.

And yes I realize this would require a bit of international cooperation but we should have enough muscle to get that done especially with Britain (Chelsea) and Spain (yachts).
The Russian oligarchy has come to enjoy a certain lifestyle outside of the shithole they are from (sorry to any Russians here but come on, it's pretty much still a shithole). Take that away and you have seriously leverage.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:32 PM   #368
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The only person who is "right" in the debate is the one who wins.

More of an indictment on the entire process than anything.

Pandering to the least common denominator at all times.
THAT'S why I think republicans should promise people, especially the poor, $100,000 a year if they're elected.

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Old 03-01-2014, 08:48 PM   #369
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Shill for who or what?
For the neoconservativsm that he has been pumping for years. It just struck me as typically cynical of him to look at this situation and see an opportunity to further extend American military presence into an area where it would not be appropriate.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:49 PM   #370
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I want a direct financial attack on the Russian oligarchy... not any of this "throw them out of the G8" nonsense. Most of what I have heard proposed might hurt the people you are after SOME but it will definitely hurt Russians in general and that shouldn't be our aim. If push comes to shove and that is necessary then so be it.. but we should start by making it IMPOSSIBLE for the many Russian billionaires who are in bed with Putin to enjoy life OUTSIDE of Russia.

Take away Abramovich's yachts(worth around $750 million) and the Chelsea Football Club (worth about $1 billion). Seriously. Seize all of it immediately. Freeze every single asset he PERSONALLY has abroad. Any and every single person with the most remote "business" tie to Putin.

Do that and Vegas odds are that Putin wouldn't last 72 hours.

And yes I realize this would require a bit of international cooperation but we should have enough muscle to get that done especially with Britain (Chelsea) and Spain (yachts).
The Russian oligarchy has come to enjoy a certain lifestyle outside of the shithole they are from (sorry to any Russians here but come on, it's pretty much still a shithole). Take that away and you have seriously leverage.
Great way to start WWWIII!
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:50 PM   #371
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For the neoconservativsm that he has been pumping for years. It just struck me as typically cynical of him to look at this situation and see an opportunity to further extend American military presence into an area where it would not be appropriate.
Well, we were in there doing the Orange Revolution covertly, and played a role in agitating this situation.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:03 PM   #372
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Great way to start WWWIII!
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:17 PM   #373
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it appears that somebody has hacked the front page of Russian Times (RT) news, unless someone who actually works there is fond of the word "nazi".

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Old 03-01-2014, 09:20 PM   #374
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Wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't a hack. Ukrainian nationalists did fight alongside the Nazis during WWII. The Russians like to bring it up when the Ukrainians complain about the Soviet atrocities.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:24 PM   #375
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Wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't a hack. Ukrainian nationalists did fight alongside the Nazis during WWII. The Russians like to bring it up when the Ukrainians complain about the Soviet atrocities.
Hmm, interesting bit of knowledge there.
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