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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-04-2014, 06:28 PM   #766
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Th Ukraine is divided and the voting maps show this.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:43 PM   #767
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:57 PM   #768
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:08 PM   #769
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No shit Donger.
Well Pants is the one posting as if Ukraine is of one collective mind about this. It isn't. Donger needs a treacle tart to feel all bettah!

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Ukraine does not want to be Russia's vassal. Ukraine wants to be independent. Ukraine really does not want to be a vassal to a kelptocratic Russia.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:38 PM   #770
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Weird then, that they voted for stronger Russia ties in 2010 when the pro-EU, pro-NATO alternative was available to them. Really tears a hole in your theory.

http://www.moldova.org/victor-yanuko...ia-206170-eng/


I will grant your point that the western half of Ukraine certainly falls under your thesis
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In May 2010, President Viktor Yanukovych promised to adopt in June 2010 the legislation necessary for creating a free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union (EU). Yanukovych expected visas between Ukraine and EU member states to be abolished and that a free trade zone will be created by March 2011.
That's from Wikipedia, which in itself is not the best of sources, I know. Scroll down and look at the references starting at around [39] though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine...s#cite_note-42
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:44 PM   #771
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Linking what I just posted in the other Ukrainian thread.

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In May 2010, President Viktor Yanukovych promised to adopt in June 2010 the legislation necessary for creating a free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union (EU). Yanukovych expected visas between Ukraine and EU member states to be abolished and that a free trade zone will be created by March 2011.
What did he run on then, his hairstyle? Let's try this again: he ran against an opponent who already offered those things and more. He beat her. You haven't given a thesis how that could be in a nation so pro-EU. Probably because he campaigned on being the alternative to those ideas, even if it was a more neutral stance.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:06 PM   #773
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From today's Pravda:


Senator John McCain had been in Georgia, then last year in Syria, and then in the Ukraine. Bad luck just follows that guy.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...uth_ossetia-0/
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:06 PM   #774
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Weird then, that they voted for stronger Russia ties in 2010 when the pro-EU, pro-NATO alternative was available to them. Really tears a hole in your theory.

http://www.moldova.org/victor-yanuko...ia-206170-eng/


I will grant your point that the western half of Ukraine certainly falls under your thesis
Shocking that a country on the border of Russia promised to improve relations with their energy overlords in the wake of some difficult recent history. But you left out the part where Yanukovych also promised to bring Ukraine into the EU. I remember pointing that out to you yesterday so I guess it just slipped your mind.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:15 PM   #775
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What did he run on then, his hairstyle? Let's try this again: he ran against an opponent who already offered those things and more. He beat her. You haven't given a thesis how that could be in a nation so pro-EU. Probably because he campaigned on being the alternative to those ideas, even if it was a more neutral stance.
Look, I've already stated multiple times that there are those in eastern Ukraine who miss the old days of the USSR when the 15 Soviet Republics ruled the world with their might *rolleyes*. They see Russia as a powerful and familiar ally and that's fine. They identify with Russians and that's fine. But I can also tell you that 2,000 Russian citizens coming by the busloads to the eastern cities to incite pro-Russian zeal and putting up Russian flags on administrative buildings, doesn't mean that half of Ukraine is thinking about breaking off and starting a civil war.

Either way, this is all completely moot. I don't care if a bunch of child rapists take over the Ukrainian government and pass a new "Saturday is official child rape day" law, Russia has no ****ing right to send their army into Ukraine.
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