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Old 02-19-2014, 08:14 PM  
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Anyone Following The Protests In The Ukraine?

I've been seeing some impressive pics of protests in Kiev.


Protests against new anti-democratic laws in Ukraine are increasing in intensity, with four citizens reported dead. As you can see in these extraordinary images by Ilya Varlamov, the demonstrators are using rockets made with fireworks. They look like scenes from some science-fiction movie about urban warfare.

The latest reports talk about at least four people killed and hundreds injured by the police. After the massive protests against the government's rejection against the European Union in favor of an alliance with the former Russian oppressors, Kiev officials announced new repressive laws limiting the people's right to protest. These urban battles are the people's reaction to those laws.

Ukraine was a former Soviet Republic, created after a civil war between pro-communist and the Ukrainian People's Republic armies at the beginning of the 20th century, right after the fall of the Russian Empire. The communists won, and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established. In theory, it was an independent state, but in fact—like all republics in the USSR and satellite countries—it was under a tight control by the Kremlin.

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Old 03-05-2014, 06:05 PM   #841
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People, please. Isn't it obvious that Cochise is running his account through a BEP-ization machine for fun?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:06 PM   #842
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I'm multitasking like you would not believe here. I can't even begin to go into it.
I'm eating and my SO is complaining your getting more attention.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:06 PM   #843
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What is diplomacy? An attempt to impose our will on others. I am for worrying about our own problems and not policing the world. That's what the constitution is all about.
Burying our heads in the sand doesn't make the world go away.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:06 PM   #844
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Burying our heads in the sand doesn't make the world go away.
I don't think he means that either.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:07 PM   #845
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I'm eating and my SO is complaining your getting more attention.
Hah. I have two family members, a SO, this, and a volatile website demanding my attention.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:10 PM   #846
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I don't think he means that either.
Well, one of the few reasons to even have a federal government is to negotiate on our behalf with other nations.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:14 PM   #847
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Well, one of the few reasons to even have a federal government is to negotiate on our behalf with other nations.
That's when diplomacy should be done--"on our behalf." This situation is on the behalf of two sets of Ukrainians, Russians, and even the EU. But I don't think the Americans have been acting with much diplomacy. They're acting more like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum. I mean Nuland saying "**** the EU" is hardly diplomacy. It's just wanting her way.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:16 PM   #848
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That's when diplomacy should be done--"on our behalf." This situation is on the behalf of two sets of Ukrainians, Russians, and even the EU. But I don't think the Americans have been acting with much diplomacy. They're acting more like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum. I mean Nuland saying "**** the EU" is hardly diplomacy. It's just wanting her way.
She was having what was supposed to be a private conversation coordinating with our Ambassador about our diplomatic efforts.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:19 PM   #849
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That's when diplomacy should be done--"on our behalf." This situation is on the behalf of two sets of Ukrainians, Russians, and even the EU. But I don't think the Americans have been acting with much diplomacy. They're acting more like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum. I mean Nuland saying "**** the EU" is hardly diplomacy. It's just wanting her way.
There really hasn't been much of anything substantive or productive coming from our side. I would say that a stable Europe is in our best interests.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:22 PM   #850
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There really hasn't been much of anything substantive or productive coming from our side. I would say that a stable Europe is in our best interests.
Europe is not very stable right now for economic reasons, although Germany has been faring better. However, the EU is in trouble over there as the citizenry isn't happy with it. I wouldn't interfere in breaking the EU up but I think the world would be better off if it did. Not going to explain that right now though.
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Europe is not very stable right now for economic reasons, although Germany has been faring better. However, the EU is in trouble over there as the citizenry isn't happy with it. I wouldn't interfere in breaking the EU up but I think the world would be better off if it did. Not going to explain that right now though.
No, I get that. I do. I'm just not willing to completely swear off getting involved in global politics. It's a delicate balance.
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She was having what was supposed to be a private conversation coordinating with our Ambassador about our diplomatic efforts.
Saying "**** the EU" is hardly planning diplomacy. She wants a country made in her eyes.

She lays down how a new government in Ukraine should be constituted; talks about "gluing together" a sovereign country and stipulates which members of the US-backed street rabble in Kiev should or should not be included in any Washington-approved new government in the former Soviet republic.

Diplomacy is not embroiling ourselves in internal conflict in that country in order to spread democracy? We're not even a democracy.

Spin it however you like but none of its diplomacy--not when you consider other things she has admitted and done. Such as spending $5 Billion on...
“Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European aspirations. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. ” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.” ~ Victoria Nuland
This is nothing but interference that begs for trouble.
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Well, he's not doing a very good job, since he's twisted too much around--particularly that I was not for being in WWII. Never made that claim. Even Donger misrepresented my position. It's Cochise calumny at work.
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Here she is...just being a diplomat. *barf* She's being a change agent inside a sovereign country with one side. And wtf is she using the Chevron and Exxon logo for as her backdrop? Then she pushes the IMF on them too.

I'm beginning to think there's more truth to the idea that corporations are trying to run the world.

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