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2014 NFL Combine - Players - The DT

Defensive Tackles:

Jay Bromley, Syracuse
6'3", 306 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 26
40: 5.06
Vertical: 33.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.92

Ryan Carrethers, Arkansas State
6'1", 337 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.47
Vertical: 7'4"
Broad: 26"
3 Cone: 7.89

Deandre Coleman, California
6'5", 314 lb., 34 3/8" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
6'1", 285 lb., 32 5/8" arms
Bench: 35
40: 4.68
Vertical: 32"
Broad: 9'8"
3 Cone: 7.11

Dominique Easley, Florida
6'2", 288 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 26
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech
6'1", 334 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.27
Vertical: 28"
Broad: 7'8"
3 Cone: 7.81

Ego Ferguson, LSU
6'3", 315 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Ra'shede Hageman Minnesota
6'6", 310 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.02
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.87

Kerry Hyder, Texas Tech
6'2", 290 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.10
Vertical: 29.5"
Broad: 9'0"
3 Cone: 7.23

Anthony Johnson, LSU
6'2", 308 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.24
Vertical: 24.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.93

Daquan Jones, Penn State
6'4", 322 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 21
40: 5.35
Vertical: 27.5"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: 7.16

Zach Kerr, Delaware
6'1", 326 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.08
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Dan McCullers, Tennessee
6'7", 352 lb., 36 5/8" arms
Bench: 27
40: DNP
Vertical: 20.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: DNP

Louis Nix, Notre Dame
6'2", 331 lb., 33" arms
Bench: DNP
40: 5.42
Vertical: 25.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: 8.29

Tenny Palepoi, Utah
6'1", 298 lb., 30 1/2" arms
Bench: 31
40: 5.10
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 9'3"
3 Cone: 7.67

Mike Pennel, CSU-Pueblo
6'4", 332 lb., 33 3/8" arms
Bench: 23
40: 5.23
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: 7.94

Kelcy Quarles, South Carolina
6'4", 297 lb., 33 1/4" arms
Bench: 27
40: 5.03
Vertical: 23.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: DNP

Caraun Reid, Princeton
6'2", 302 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 20
40: 4.91
Vertical: 26.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.59"

Shamar Stephen, Connecticut
6'5", 309 lb., 33 1/8" arms
Bench: 25
40: 5.25
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 8'7"
3 Cone: DNP

Will Sutton, Arizona State
6'0", 303 lb., 31 1/4" arms
Bench: 24
40: 5.36
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Robert Thomas, Arkansas
6'1", 327 lb., 33 7/8" arms
Bench: 32
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Khyri Thornton, Southern Mississippi
6'3", 304 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.03
Vertical: 29"
Broad: 9'4"
3 Cone: 7.83

Brent Urban, Virginia
6'7", 295 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Chris Whaley, Texas
6'3", 269 lb., 32 1/8" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Kerry Wynn, Richmond
6'5", 266 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 31
40: 4.97
Vertical: 34"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: DNP

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Old 04-03-2014, 10:30 AM   #61
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That's not a typical 40 front, dude. Most base 40 teams don't have DE's anywhere near 300 pounds.

The Atlanta Falcons fielded DE's that were BOTH under 270.
270, 350, 285, 270 = 1175.

still more mass than a 3 man front.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:32 AM   #62
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We need a guy who can do this against the run:

dude was completely unblocked (77 doesnt even touch him and pulls to the left). The center hikes the ball and than pulls, and the offense tried to have the LG block from so far away. It was a terrible offensive call more than any success by Donald.

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Old 04-03-2014, 10:34 AM   #63
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If there were a Wilkerson, Richard Seymour, or Calais Campbell in this draft, I would be all over him. But there isn't. The only thing that's a sure bet is that there is a more athletic and even more explosive Geno Atkins clone available in this draft in Aaron Donald. You would be an absolute fool to pass on that kind of talent.
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dude was completely unblocked (77 doesnt even touch him and pulls to the left). This isnt even an example of him beating a block. I think any of our current lineman can do that when no one is blocking him. lol.

I have no issues with Donald when no one blocks him. On the contrary, I expect NFL offensive lineman to try to block him in the NFL...thats kinda their job.
Precisely my point, he was way too fast for the OL player to get to him while pulling or trap blocking and that fact will still remain the same in the NFL because he would, on day 1, be the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league.
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Precisely my point, he was way too fast for the OL player to get to him while pulling or trap blocking
that would have taken a herculean effort for the LG. look how far away the LG is lined up.

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and that fact will still remain the same in the NFL because he would, on day 1, be the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league.
a rookie being the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league? bullshit until proven otherwise.
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Precisely my point, he was way too fast for the OL player to get to him while pulling or trap blocking and that fact will still remain the same in the NFL because he would, on day 1, be the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league.
Um, no.
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that might have been what you meant, but that isnt what you said. So lets take you at your current word and people can watch 2 quarters of the Jets defense to learn about defenses in the NFL in general. fine.

I'd rather watch the chiefs to learn about the chiefs.
Actually, that is what I said.

You're reading stuff into that post that wasn't there...
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that would have taken a herculean effort for the LG. look how far away the LG is lined up.



a rookie being the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league? bullshit until proven otherwise.
Sorry, but find me anyone who tested as well as Donald did at the combine.

Closest I can think of would be Geno Atkins and Henry Melton.

Donald ran an official 4.68 40 at the combine with a 7.11 3-cone drill.

Atkins ran an official 4.75 40 at the combine with a 7.33 3-cone drill.

Melton ran a 4.64 at his Pro Day at 269 pounds.

Donald's workout was on par with Clowney and Greg Robinson as far as athletic freaks went this year. To top it off, Donald demonstrates better technique at his position than either of those two currently have at their respective positions. Donald is the most pro-ready DL player in this draft. It's not a stretch to say that if he were 2 inches taller and even 5 pounds heavier people would be talking about him as a top 5 prospect and potential #1 overall pick.

Instead, he's a 6'1", 285 pounds, with nearly 33" arms DT who runs and moves like a linebacker with the power of a DT and has the tape to support it.
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Sorry, but find me anyone who tested as well as Donald did at the combine.
1. you try to use combine measurement (i.e. guys running around in shorts) to justify that he is going to be the fastest, most explosive in the NFL?
that is really stupid.

2. I would argue that Hagemon did as well for his weight in the 40.

I dont really care about the 40 yard dash. Defensive lineman arent required to run 40yrds. There are plenty of players with similar weight who ran a similar 10yrd dash.

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Big hands and long arms are a plus wherever a defensive lineman plays, allowing them to get their hands on an offensive lineman first and either control him or shed the block.
Donald has above average size hands, but below average size arms.

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10-yard split, Broad Jump, Vertical Leap: I'm lumping these three together, because they all help to illustrate a prospects lower-body explosiveness and his ability to generate power. To me, these numbers are much more important than how many reps they have on the bench press or how fast their 40 is.
there are a bunch of players with similar numbers

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3-cone drill and Short Shuttle: Defensive linemen need to be able to have short-area quickness. Edge rushers especially need to be able to bend around the corner to get to the quarterback.
not as important for an interior player. (which is what it seems you advocate for Aaron Donald).

Kony Ealy would be an example with a better number.
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Here are Defensive lineman, who were drafted in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years, with arm length of 34" or more, and 33" or below

There are only a couple of 33"- that I would want on my team and only a couple of 34"+ I wouldn't want on my team. note: $ means pro bowler which 34"+ wins 9-2. The pro bowl is very subjective and by no means how talented a player is but I feel it is a good representative of 9/11=81.8% of how much more successful of longer armed d-line are can be than short armed. Longer arm people can get off blocks just so much easier. You can't teach physical traits.

Arm length 34 or higher

2013
Sheldon Richardson
Kawann Short
Ziggy Ansah
Tank Carradine

2012
Chandler Jones
Andre Branch
Fletcher Cox
Michael Brockers

2011
Nick Fairley
Phil Taylor
Aldon Smith $
J.J. Watt $$ d-mvp 12'
Robert Quinn $
Cameron Jordan $
Cameron Heyward
Muhammad Wilkerson

2010
Jason Pierre-Paul $$
Derrick Morgan
Carlos Dunlap
Jared Odrick
Torell Troup
Linval Joseph
Terrence Cody

2009
Evander Hood
Sen'Derrick Marks
Brian Orakpo $$

This year potenital 1/2 round prospects with 34"+ arms
Jadeveon Clowney
Kareem Martin
Chris Smith
Marcus Smith
Stephon Tuitt
Ra'Shede Hageman
Kony Ealy


Arm length 33 or lower

2013
Sharrif Floyd
Johnathan Hankins
Datone Jones

2012
Shea McClellin
Nick Perry
Courtney Upshaw
Vinny Curry
Dontari Poe $
Jerel Worthy

2011
Marvin Austin
Stephen Paea
Brooks Reed

2010
Tyson Alualu
Brian Price
Lamarr Houston

2009
B.J. Raji $
Peria Jerry
Ron Brace
Larry English
David Veikune
Robert Ayers

This year potenital 1/2 round prospects
Jeremiah Attaochu
Scott Crichton
Dee Ford
Aaron Donald
Timmy Jernigan
Ego Ferguson
Louis Nix
Will Sutton
Dominique Easley
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Since people keep comparing the chiefs defense to the jets, I figured it would be a good idea to see what defensive lineman they have drafted since 2007:


Sheldon Richardson - 6'3'', 294 lbs, 34+ arms
Quinton Coples - 6'6'', 290 lbs, 33.25" arms
Muhammad Wilkerson - 6'4'', 315 lbs, 35" arms
Kenrick Ellis - 6'4'', 346 lbs, 35" arms

dont see any short, short armed, undersized players.
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Scouting director: 2014 DL class 'worst I've seen in a long time'

Jadeveon Clowney is far from the only defensive lineman in the 2014 NFL Draft an NFC scouting director doesn't hold in high regard.

The scouting director, who directed harsh criticism toward Clowney, doesn't see much to like in the entire class of defensive linemen this year.

"It's a bad year," he said, according to nj.com. "It's the worst group I've seen in a long time."

As for the top interior defensive linemen this year, Pitt's Aaron Donald ranks 14th, Florida State's Timmy Jernigan ranks 18th, Notre Dame's Louis Nix ranks 28th and Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman ranks 30th on Jeremiah's list.

The nj.com story quoted the NFC scouting director as well as an NFC scout an an AFC personnel executive on several of this year's top DL prospects, and Clowney wasn't the only one that received the "lazy" label. Here's a look at some of their comments:

Stephon Tuitt
NFC scouting director: "Lazy. He's an underachiever. I would just say no."
AFC personnel executive: "I think he's better as a 3-4 end, than a 4-3 tackle. He has the size and build for it. But there were games where he just didn't do anything."
Kony Ealy

NFC scouting director: "He's got good size. He's big, fast, strong. There's a lot to work with there. Could he be a 3-4 linebacker? Yeah, he could, but I think he's a 4-3 end. He's a late first-round pick for sure."

Louis Nix
AFC personnel executive: "Classic nose tackle. He reminds me of (Packers NT) B.J. Raji. You put some people around him and he could make an impact."
NFC scout: "I don't see much there. He's not for us."

Aaron Donald
NFC scouting director: "I don't know about this guy. You look at him, and he's too small. But then you watch him and all he does is produce. I'm torn on him."

Ra'Shede Hageman
NFC scouting director: "When he wants to play, he can. You watch him for a couple of plays, and you see things. Then, you don't see him again."
AFC personnel executive: "He's big and talented. But he's lazy."

Timmy Jernigan
NFC scout: "He tapped out in the championship game. On that last Auburn drive, you couldn't find him."
AFC personnel executive: "He can do a lot of things. He's very strong. He's a first-rounder."
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I'm very much in agreement about not liking this year's crop of defensive lineman. There are a few that I like and a bunch of meh...
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