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Old 02-24-2014, 09:14 PM  
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The 15 Beliefs of the Tea Party

I keep hearing people on both sides bash the Tea Party and I have to admit I have never actually looked into exactly what the stance of the Tea Party is, so this is what I found. Amazingly it seems that a lot of people on both sides tend to agree with most of these beliefs. It's obvious why status quo politicians are afraid of the Tea Party but I have to question why we hear some on the voter end bashing them. I have listed the beliefs below and put a D, R or B (both) for where I think beliefs fall from an "isle" aspect:

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. R
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. D
3. A strong military is essential. R
4. Special interests must be eliminated. B
5. Gun ownership is sacred. R
6. Government must be downsized. B
7. The national budget must be balanced. B
8. Deficit spending must end. B
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. D
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. B
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. R
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. B
13. Intrusive government must be stopped. B
14. English as our core language is required. R
15. Traditional family values are encouraged. R

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Old 02-24-2014, 09:49 PM   #16
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I think the entire "Church and State" argument has been so misrepresented and distorted it's not even worthy of debate anymore. Freedom of religion has turned into "freedom from religion" and most people have no clue of how the law regarding Church and State is supposed to be implemented.
never noticed why everybody else called you an idiot until now

they were right
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:53 PM   #18
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TP beliefs are value based and common sense. Scare hell out of anti religion nuts and loons from the left. The TP appeal reached deep into moderate dems. Not good for the crazy left .
I disagree, crazy any side is not good
I think the teaparty has done much more harm than good
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:54 PM   #19
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Obama voters are more scared of them than Muslims
The tea party should be scared of themselves. With Obama's unpopularity, they have ability to make a mark for the party, if they don't stumble all over themselves. Which they've largely done the past few years.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:56 PM   #20
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never noticed why everybody else called you an idiot until now

they were right
I have yet to hear where I am wrong. Do you even understand the legal aspects of Church and State? It is perfectly Constitutional for our government to acknowledge a religion and conduct things like prayers and have the 10 commandments in a court room, etc. When you start being persecuted legally for not being part of a particular religion or otherwise being forced to participate in a particular religion then get back to me. Until then most people are basackwards on the entire "separation" law.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:59 PM   #21
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1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. (Revise to: Undocumented immigrants are here, now what?)
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. (Revise to pro-domestic employment violates basic economic reality.)
3. A strong military is essential. (of course)
4. Special interests must be eliminated. (Everyone says this, but no one practices it, see 5 below).
5. Gun ownership is sacred. (Revise to: Gun ownership is protected by the 2nd amendment).
6. Government must be downsized. (I believe government is a whole lot more useful than the Tea Party does. There are many areas that can be cut, but not nearly as many as the Tea Party thinks).
7. The national budget must be balanced. (I haven't seen compelling evidence that this is true, but the current budget has too much deficit spending).
8. Deficit spending must end. (Drastically curtailed, yes. End? I've not seen a sound argument for that).
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. (Disagree completely -- although bail outs have helped with pro-domestic employment in the case of the US owned auto industry, whoops another contradiction).
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. (Disagree completely, because I am serious about deficit reduction. I'm open to tax reform, but I don't think the tax burden on ordinary Americans is crushing and I've spent time in most of the tax brackets during my life).
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. (I've heard some good arguments in favor of this, but those reductions would need to be offset by increased personal taxes).
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. (Nice in principle, but exactly how do you ensure this? I think the implementation would cause more problems than it would solve.)
13. Intrusive government must be stopped. (I don't think government is all that intrusive. In most cases where it does impose burden, there is good reason for it. Sure inefficiencies could and should be eliminated where possible).
14. English as our core language is required. (Let the market take care of it. Publicly-funded education should be in English to prepare young people for the workplace, but I have no problem with ESL classes in schools)
15. Traditional family values are encouraged. (TFV are different for different people and are constantly evolving. Not a role for government.)

I would bet money that a majority of hard core Tea Party rank and file would not support entitlement cuts that would be necessary to achieve 7, 8, 10, and 11. They are the party of rage, but offer no solutions.

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:03 PM   #22
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Could be. I can't say I have watched enough of their "deliveries" to comment. Though the ones I have seen weren't bad at all.
Read what you posted. Words like "must" "sacred" "mandatory" "required" don't really lend to any sense of compromise from a messaging standpoint. They portray a rigid stance. You aren't going to attract much of the middle of the the road crowd with that kind of positioning. I assume you copied and pasted that info from some TP resource?
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Read what you posted. Words like "must" "sacred" "mandatory" "required" don't really lend to any sense of compromise from a messaging standpoint. They portray a rigid stance. You aren't going to attract much of the middle of the the road crowd with that kind of positioning. I assume you copied and pasted that info from some TP resource?
A rigid stance is what it takes, imo. Take a look at the democrats. They aren't kicking the Repubs' ass by being flexible.
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Its core. Not corp. if it were as you say it would be corps.

The point you try to assign is that those who have become dependent on the government teat will rise in protest. That is the rabid democrat base.
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A rigid stance is what it takes, imo. Take a look at the democrats. They aren't kicking the Repubs' ass by being flexible.
I didn't know the goal was to kick other Americans in the ass? Too many people (on all sides) forget we are all playing on the same team.
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I didn't know the goal was to kick other Americans in the ass? Too many people (on all sides) forget we are all playing on the same team.
That's just it, we aren't on the same team. It's us, the voters, vs. them, the politicians. Only most allow themselves to be pawns in their game and play the us v. them game in which you are referring too.
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I have yet to hear where I am wrong. Do you even understand the legal aspects of Church and State? It is perfectly Constitutional for our government to acknowledge a religion and conduct things like prayers and have the 10 commandments in a court room, etc. When you start being persecuted legally for not being part of a particular religion or otherwise being forced to participate in a particular religion then get back to me. Until then most people are basackwards on the entire "separation" law.
I do. So we aren't confused, go ahead and state your claim, and I'll tell you where you are wrong.
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Its core. Not corp. if it were as you say it would be corps.

The point you try to assign is that those who have become dependent on the government teat will rise in protest. That is the rabid democrat base.
Thanks, but I saw it myself and fixed it before your post.

I'm not talking about democrats. My point is TP rank and file wold do the same, especially those over 50.

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I didn't know the goal was to kick other Americans in the ass? Too many people (on all sides) forget we are all playing on the same team.
That scares Washington more than anything. The reason for the resurgence of class war and race issues is to keep us separate. Politicians dont operate at random.
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I do. So we aren't confused, go ahead and state your claim, and I'll tell you where you are wrong.
You can start by addressing what I said in the post in which you appear to only have read one sentence.
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