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Old 02-25-2014, 07:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-26-2014, 09:14 AM   #151
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It won't be long before people start calling clergymen who refuse to marry gays bigots.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:20 AM   #152
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It won't be long before people start calling clergymen who refuse to marry gays bigots.
I think that's already happened. I recall reading about an incident but it was in Canada. It was some clergyman arrested for hate speech or something like that. And that was more than ten years ago. Wonder if I could find it again.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:21 AM   #153
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Come on, people. BEP isn't homophobic or racially bigoted.
I'm not sure I buy that either, but I guess that is easier to believe than her saying the NFL is playing politics. The actions the NFL are threatening to take in this case just don't coincide with HER politics, that's all. At least that's the way I read it.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:24 AM   #154
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Come on, people. BEP isn't homophobic or racially bigoted.
Progs are not able to make the distinction of arguing ideas vs personal behavior-- or between govt doing something vs a private individual.

That's why they're going the low route right now. They have nothing.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:25 AM   #155
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I'm not sure I buy that either, but I guess that is easier to believe than her saying the NFL is playing politics. The actions the NFL are threatening to take in this case just don't coincide with HER politics, that's all. At least that's the way I read it.
Yes, of course. That's why I find the NFL's action kind of annoying too. I think they're wrong on this even though I recognize their right to throw their weight around.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:26 AM   #156
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I'm not sure I buy that either, but I guess that is easier to believe than her saying the NFL is playing politics. The actions the NFL are threatening to take in this case just don't coincide with HER politics, that's all. At least that's the way I read it.
Yeah, they don't. You got that right. There's nothing wrong with that or expressing my opinion about it--the way others who do agree with the NFL are because it does agree with their politics. Especially, the bullying part as the way to go about it.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:29 AM   #157
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Yes, of course. That's why I find the NFL's action kind of annoying too. I think they're wrong on this even though I recognize their right to throw their weight around.
It was brought up earlier - the NFL just wants to avoid the hot button topic of the moment. They're in that classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position IF Arizona passes this bill - do you stay and pretend like nothing has happened facing potential serious backlash from your fan base, or do you get proactive and find options while risking another portion of the fan base?
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:33 AM   #158
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It was brought up earlier - the NFL just wants to avoid the hot button topic of the moment. They're in that classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position IF Arizona passes this bill - do you stay and pretend like nothing has happened facing potential serious backlash from your fan base, or do you get proactive and find options while risking another portion of the fan base?
I wouldn't say they're avoiding it though. If they were they'd remain silent.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:34 AM   #159
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Yes, of course. That's why I find the NFL's action kind of annoying too. I think they're wrong on this even though I recognize their right to throw their weight around.
Yeah, I never thought it wasn't a right of the NFL's either. More annoying and they're getting into politics more and more....or so it seems.
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Come on, people. BEP isn't homophobic or racially bigoted.

I try not to smear people with such labels if I can help it. I will say that it hadn't really occurred to me until this thread, but there does seem to be something of a unifying theme in her positions which bears keeping an eye on.

Let me put it this way -- her positions versus those of a bigot aren't really all that different, though she argues different ideological underpinnings for those positions. I find her position in this particular matter to be somewhat surprising.
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It was brought up earlier - the NFL just wants to avoid the hot button topic of the moment. They're in that classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position IF Arizona passes this bill - do you stay and pretend like nothing has happened facing potential serious backlash from your fan base, or do you get proactive and find options while risking another portion of the fan base?
The best way to avoid the issue would be to not get involved in it.

The fact that they've participated in these boycott activities before creates the potential PR problems they have to contend with now. They're the activists' bitch now.
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I try not to smear people with such labels if I can help it. I will say that it hadn't really occurred to me until this thread, but there does seem to be something of a unifying theme in her positions which bears keeping an eye on.

Let me put it this way -- her positions versus those of a bigot aren't really all that different, though she argues different ideological underpinnings for those positions. I find her position in this particular matter to be somewhat surprising.
What part of her position is surprising to you? I didn't read much of what she was saying about the NFL being quasi-governmental, so I'm not sure what she said on that, but to the extent that she supports this law aimed at protecting religious liberty, she has the same position that I do.
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Has anyone seen this law? I used the numbers and name from one of the links but I got nothing. It was late though, so I didn't pursue for long.
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What part of her position is surprising to you? I didn't read much of what she was saying about the NFL being quasi-governmental, so I'm not sure what she said on that, but to the extent that she supports this law aimed at protecting religious liberty, she has the same position that I do.
I only brought up the corporatism of the NFL, because what they were doing was claimed as a free-market or what one looked like by some posters. That was hardly the case, so I pursued that for awhile. I found even out more than I thought existed about how non-private they really are. Therefore they have less independence they would otherwise.
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