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Old 02-25-2014, 07:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-27-2014, 02:17 PM   #241
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If people can already "refuse service openly" (which is correct) and this law is just "doubling down on that" (which is close to correct), then why are critics acting like this is a huge deal that will lead to open season on gays?
Because BOTH sides dont know the deal. One side is acting as if gays are threatening their religion and opponents are acting as if gays arent already a non protected class.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:20 PM   #242
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I think it has something to do with somebody was mean to them or something.
Who's creating a law which says they can refuse service to someone becasue they dont like them or the color of their money, when the law already exists? Gays are being mean to who? And what are they using as their weapon of their meanness, their wallets???
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:29 PM   #243
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:52 PM   #244
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Who's creating a law which says they can refuse service to someone becasue they dont like them or the color of their money, when the law already exists? Gays are being mean to who? And what are they using as their weapon of their meanness, their wallets???
Now we're going to legislate "nice" and "like"? What's next, everybody has to speed-date everybody so everybody gets a fair chance? It would be nice if every girl gave every guy a fair chance at her?

Just because a gay isn't punching you in the face doesn't mean you have to accept them.

Does a woman who finds a man revolting have to date him?

Can a girl who hasn't had her pony-tail dipped in the ink-well by a guy reject an offer to the prom from that guy?

And let me ask this, why would a gay couple DEMAND to buy their cake from a cake store who finds their lifestyle revolting? Was it really about the cake? Really? Not a physical punch in the face, but getting pulled into court has never been considered "being nice" either.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:02 PM   #245
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Good. If there is time to do so, they should.

Then they can move it to KC
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:09 PM   #246
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Now we're going to legislate "nice" and "like"? What's next, everybody has to speed-date everybody so everybody gets a fair chance? It would be nice if every girl gave every guy a fair chance at her?

Just because a gay isn't punching you in the face doesn't mean you have to accept them.

Does a woman who finds a man revolting have to date him?

Can a girl who hasn't had her pony-tail dipped in the ink-well by a guy reject an offer to the prom from that guy?

And let me ask this, why would a gay couple DEMAND to buy their cake from a cake store who finds their lifestyle revolting? Was it really about the cake? Really? Not a physical punch in the face, but getting pulled into court has never been considered "being nice" either.
Im sorry, you've lost me. The law in Az is they can discriminate, they don't have to serve someone if they don't want for any reason unless they are part of the protected class, which gays are not. So the law that exists in AZ is basically the law they were trying to pass, essentially doubling up I what's already in existence.

The cake situation was n another state where the law is different.

I totally don't get you analogies and what relation they have to what I said. I
Your post above is a bunch of jibbereish.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:19 PM   #247
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Im sorry, you've lost me. The law in Az is they can discriminate, they don't have to serve someone if they don't want for any reason unless they are part of the protected class, which gays are not. So the law that exists in AZ is basically the law they were trying to pass, essentially doubling up I what's already in existence.

The cake situation was n another state where the law is different.

I totally don't get you analogies and what relation they have to what I said. I
Your post above is a bunch of jibbereish.
Below is the content of what I replied to.. You brought up "mean", That's why I brought up nice. As for the cake deal, sure it was a different state but let's be real, these are all tied together.

As for the law, I don't give a rat's ass, it's as dumb as you're saying. So they can do anything they want, and I mean that.


"Who's creating a law which says they can refuse service to someone becasue they dont like them or the color of their money, when the law already exists? Gays are being mean to who? And what are they using as their weapon of their meanness, their wallets???"
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Im sorry, you've lost me. The law in Az is they can discriminate, they don't have to serve someone if they don't want for any reason unless they are part of the protected class, which gays are not. So the law that exists in AZ is basically the law they were trying to pass, essentially doubling up I what's already in existence.

The cake situation was n another state where the law is different.

I totally don't get you analogies and what relation they have to what I said. I
Your post above is a bunch of jibbereish.
The law they're trying to pass clarifies a couple of details that have arisen through litigation in other states. It brings the AZ law into conformity with federal law.

This law isn't about enabling discrimination against gays, it's about allowing religious people to live their lives according to their sincerely held beliefs instead of being forced to participate in a same sex marriage or in access to abortion or in any of a number of other ways as long as there isn't a compelling state interest involved or as long as there's another way for the state to achieve that compelling state interest.
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The law they're trying to pass clarifies a couple of details that have arisen through litigation in other states. It brings the AZ law into conformity with federal law.

This law isn't about enabling discrimination against gays, it's about allowing religious people to live their lives according to their sincerely held beliefs instead of being forced to participate in a same sex marriage or in access to abortion or in any of a number of other ways as long as there isn't a compelling state interest involved or as long as there's another way for the state to achieve that compelling state interest.
This is another factor. I don't see any compelling state interest, such as preventing human sacrifice or paying taxes, in allowing someone to not bake a gay cake or take photos of a gay wedding. There's no harm when there's a multitude of other competing suppliers.
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