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Old 02-25-2014, 07:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-25-2014, 07:43 PM   #31
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Quit preachin' the the choir Capt Obvious. Never said they didn't. I just don't consider it free-market.
Then what the **** is?
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:44 PM   #32
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You think that the NFL is a political organization?
I told you before I don't do your rhetorical questions and this one is a strawman.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:45 PM   #33
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No way. None of them can afford any of the tickets or the products they hawk on tv (except beer). Not a chance in hell that is their target. Maybe 25-54 works.
I dug around for a few minutes and found this article from June of 2010:

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...s-Leagues.aspx


Age 18-34
28.0%
37.8%
29.4%
31.9%
29.6%
33.4%
Age 35-49
28.8%
31.8%
30.0%
28.9%
29.1%
32.1%
Age 50+
43.1%
30.4%
40.6%
39.2%
41.3%
34.4%

The demographics for the NFL are in the 4th column. It goes MLB, MLS, NASCAR, the NFL, NHL and NBA. The article lists Scarborough Sports Marketing as its source material. So you'd get 18-34 at 31.9%, 35-49 at 28.9% and 50+ at 39.2%
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:48 PM   #34
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It doesn't have to be the same. Those businesses are deciding what to do with their money.
They're deciding their politics more. Then they're using their money to influence it as a form of political protest. Not saying they don't have this right to decide this but let's be honest and call it what it is. And it is not free market...it's activism. It's no different than a corporation deciding to use their money to support a candidate and/or later influence that candidate once in office.

But really it's no different than placing economic sanctions on another nation if you don't like their way of life, values or politics.

A boycott is an act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons. It can be a form of consumer activism.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:49 PM   #35
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Quit preachin' the the choir Capt Obvious. Never said they didn't. I just don't consider it free-market.
And that matters in some alternate dimension.
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But not for market reasons. It's for political reasons.

I've posted before that I don't care for political boycotts. I consider it bullying.
It doesn't matter.
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And that matters in some alternate dimension.
We disagree.
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They're deciding their politics more. Then they're using their money to influence it as a form of political protest. Not saying they don't have this right to decide this but let's be honest and call it what it is. And it is not free market...it's activism. It's no different than a corporation deciding to use their money to support a candidate and/or later influence that candidate once in office.

But really it's no different than placing economic sanctions on another nation if you don't like their way of life, values or politics.

A boycott is an act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for political reasons. It can be a form of consumer activism.
The people who make the decisions for those companies have the same choices that we have.
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I dug around for a few minutes and found this article from June of 2010:

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...s-Leagues.aspx


Age 18-34
28.0%
37.8%
29.4%
31.9%
29.6%
33.4%
Age 35-49
28.8%
31.8%
30.0%
28.9%
29.1%
32.1%
Age 50+
43.1%
30.4%
40.6%
39.2%
41.3%
34.4%

The demographics for the NFL are in the 4th column. It goes MLB, MLS, NASCAR, the NFL, NHL and NBA. The article lists Scarborough Sports Marketing as its source material. So you'd get 18-34 at 31.9%, 35-49 at 28.9% and 50+ at 39.2%

Ok so 45% of Americans are under 35. So my comment that NFL fans are older, whiter and more male than the general public is true.


Edit: I include sub 18 years old so that is incorrect. Still it's more white and male by substantial margins.
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The people who make the decisions for those companies have the same choices that we have.
That says nothing about my original point about the NFL becoming too political lately. Not just on this.

It's still consumer activism used for political purposes. I'd love to see the SB boycotted by attendees to show them up. But I know that would be consumer activism too.
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It doesn't matter.
To you. But my point isn't about whether or not it matters. It's about why the NFL is getting so political these days....and of a progressive left nature. My other point was that it's not really free market but more activism.
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I told you before I don't do your rhetorical questions and this one is a strawman.
You seem to think that the NFL is a political organization and not a business. Is that correct or not? I could actually see how you reached the conclusion above by saying that the NFL is a business making a decision based on political sensibility.
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To you. But my point isn't about whether or not it matters. It's about why the NFL is getting so political these days....and of a progressive left nature.
If the entertainment becomes too political, people will stop consuming it.
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If the entertainment becomes too political, people will stop consuming it.
Well, people already do complain about the entertainment industry being too political including the Academy Awards, the Grammys. Now the NFL is getting into it.
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