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Old 02-25-2014, 08:06 PM  
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NFL could pull Super Bowl if Arizona religious rights bill passes

Call it what you want -- anti-gay or religious rights -- but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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The Arizona Super Bowl Host committee released a statement saying it disagreed with the bill and its impact on Arizona’s economy.

“On that matter we have heard loud and clear from our various stakeholders that adoption of this legislation would not only run contrary to that goal but deal a significant blow to the state's economic growth potential,” a committee spokesperson said. “We do not support this legislation.”

Arizona is currently slated to host the 2015 Super Bowl at Glendale’s University of Phoenix Stadium.

Opponents of the bill contend that it will allow Arizona businesses to refuse service to homosexual customers.

But, as with most bills in Congress, the attack ads have little to do with the actual legislation.

Proponents of the bill claim that no, businesses will not have carte blanche to refuse service to anyone they disagree with based on religious grounds.

Specifically, proponents claim that there is nothing in Arizona’s current laws that prevent businesses from discriminating against anyone — and yet, strangely enough, discrimination isn’t happening.

Apparently, businesses in Arizona have wanted to discriminate but have just been waiting for a bill to allow them to do so — which this bill does not. Also, what business would quietly wait to discriminate?

“Business owners do not want to deny service to gays,” the Christian Post wrote. “This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive — turning away customers is no way to run a business.”

Sounds like the opponents — and the NFL — need to take a knee.


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Old 02-26-2014, 12:23 AM   #121
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That's not an answer to a question. I asked you a question.
You framed your question with meaningless buzz words.



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Ignoring can only be claimed if I saw something about them. I didn't.

I've posted before in this thread and before this thread, I don't support political boycotts usually. But if they want to it's a their free speech rights.
When I see a story written with obvious bias such as the article in the OP I either ignore it or start gathering information from various sources. In this case I began a light search on the subject.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:25 AM   #122
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I looked it up more too and still didn't see that but saw something about an older law bringing being updated to be more aligned or in harmony with federal law. That's all this is supposed to be.

I think it's very un-American to punish a state that protects religious freedom. It's a fundamental right.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:26 AM   #123
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Progressive-left as in a statist solution.
Progressive as in enacting laws on the behalf of intentionally disempowered minorities
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:32 AM   #124
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I finally know why you post as you do. You don't really understand certain concepts. Then again, you're not in the liberty camp but the statist camp so I understand it's hard to comprehend them.

I'm not sure if I'm in the statist camp or the liberty camp, but I'm definitely not in the labelist camp. Smart people who hold a diversity of nuanced opinions have something to contribute to solving 21st century problems that Patrick Henry never thought of.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:32 AM   #125
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I looked it up more too and still didn't see that but saw something about an older law bringing being updated to be more aligned or in harmony with federal law.

I think it's very un-American to punish a state that protects religious freedom. It's a fundamental right.
I've seen references to Apple, American Airlines and several other companies opposing the bill. It's a fundamental right to hold whatever religious belief you please. The way you express that belief will always be limited by the law.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:44 AM   #126
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I've seen references to Apple, American Airlines and several other companies opposing the bill. It's a fundamental right to hold whatever religious belief you please. The way you express that belief will always be limited by the law.
No that's not the free exercise of religion if you can't practice those beliefs which is the fundamental right too. It doesn't protect thought alone. Sexual orientation does not trump religious freedom in the US Constitution.

This means you favor forcing gays to do business with Westboro Baptist Church or its members.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:48 AM   #127
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I got what you meant. I disagree with the omission of the word left. I was clarifying that since it was a statist solution it falls into the Progressive-left think. All these fake rights are continually created by them and the Cultural Marxists who want to replace certain attitudes and use the state to do so.
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No that's not the free exercise of religion if you can't practice those beliefs which is the fundamental right too. It doesn't protect thought alone. Sexual orientation does not trump religious freedom in the US Constitution.

This means you favor forcing gays to do business with Westboro Baptist Church or its members.
So where do you draw the line? Can catholic-owned businesses now refuse services to divorcees? Atheists? Adulterers? Those who use birth control?

What services fall in this category? Do we allow businesses to use religion to segment customers that might be more likely to apply for better mortgages? To get better insurance or loans? Do we refuse emergency services on the basis of a doctor, roadside assistance worker, etc... who is serving a gay, divorced, or atheist customer?

Maybe there's a reason why most states don't make this a gray area.
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Going to bed zilla. You always start long winded discussions very late.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:57 AM   #130
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No that's not the free exercise of religion if you can't practice those beliefs which is the fundamental right too. It doesn't protect thought alone. Sexual orientation does not trump religious freedom in the US Constitution.

This means you favor forcing gays to do business with Westboro Baptist Church or its members.
It depends on the belief and the way you are expressing it, and it depends on what you mean by "do business with." I don't expect a church to perform a gay marriage if it goes against their dogma. I wouldn't agree with forcing a church to perform any kind of religious ceremony that goes against its dogma. That doesn't mean that the beliefs of a member of that church trump the law in the secular world though. That church member will be limited in how they express their beliefs.
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Your rhetorical question is a strawman. This wasn't even what happened in that case either. You're also hijacking.


Strawman.


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Going to bed zilla. You always start long winded discussions very late.
The pattern is obvious. Chiefzilla repeatedly asks excellent questions and BEP is unable to come up with coherent answers, so she just refuses to answer them. Of course, that is standard operating procedure for her. It's just amazingly blatant in this thread.

And BEP wonders why she is the most mocked and ridiculed poster on this site.
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They're a business. This is actually a great way to settle this without even involving federal law. Let Arizona feel the brunt of enacting discriminatory law. Money talks, bullshit walks.
BEP only likes the market when it goes her way.
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Wow. BEP takes even more of a beating than usual.


Cosmo's post earlier was an interesting one. Between her support of the South's Civil War efforts, her disagreement that businesses should be required by law to cater to individuals regardless of race, and her position in this thread (which is contradictory to some pretty basic libertarian concepts), I'm beginning to think she's just a bigot, and anything that impacts her (or another's) ability to act in a bigoted or discriminatory fashion is going to be opposed by her.

We've long concluded that she's a complete whacko, but now I'm thinking bigoted whacko as well.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:39 AM   #134
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The pattern is obvious. Chiefzilla repeatedly asks excellent questions and BEP is unable to come up with coherent answers, so she just refuses to answer them. Of course, that is standard operating procedure for her. It's just amazingly blatant in this thread.
So I'm supposed to stay up when it's already 2 AM here,just to re do an older previous debate where I took the time to answer such questions?



He does come in here very late and starts up a long engaged debate and I have engaged him before-- if'n you bothered to look. And there have been times I have not engaged him---my right and my choice.



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I love the attention. You've gotten so butthurt from one little neg rep and you can't move on about it.
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listo, I did see mention of other businesses that operate in the state, from one article but they are concerned it will hurt their businesses in AZ if the governor signs this. I didn't see any mention of a boycott by them. It was more their input on the bill. I, at this point, don't think it will pass.

That being said, the NFL is getting too political. It appears that "national" is more that it's a nationalized operation. That's what I get from checking into the league more. What a scam. It should be boycotted to go free market and private.
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