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Old 02-25-2014, 09:10 PM  
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Harvard writer: Free speech threatens liberalism and must be destroyed

If this Harvard University student got her way, free speech on campus would be abolished and professors with dissenting views fired, because radical leftism is the only permissible political philosophy and the First Amendment is a barrier preventing modern colleges from fulfilling their proper role as indoctrination camps.

Her name is Sandra Korn. She is a senior at Harvard and columnist for the Harvard Crimson.

In a recent column, Korn unambiguously insisted that the university should stop guaranteeing professors and students the right to hold controversial views and pursue research that challenges liberalism.

“If our university community opposes racism, sexism, and heterosexism, why should we put up with research that counters our goals?” asked Korn in her column.

The column’s subtitle was even more direct: “Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice.”

Korn cited several instances of perspectives that clashed with her own being banned from campus as triumphant examples of the way Harvard should be run. The firing of Subramanian Swamy, a Harvard summer school instructor who was dismissed for his anti-Islamic views, was one such triumph.

She also invoked the academic boycott of Israel — something condemned by Harvard President Drew Faust and numerous other university presidents — as an example of the kind of tactics leftists should defend and use in order to get their way on campus.

Korn did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


Her sharp rejection of intellectual freedom — a value enshrined by U.S. law and central to the success of American institutions of higher learning — is common among left-wing activists at elite colleges. Last week, Erin Ching, a sophomore at Swarthmore College, took a similar view when she criticized her university for committing the unforgivable crime of allowing a conservative — Christian thinker Robert George — to speak on campus.

“What really bothered me is, the whole idea is that at a liberal arts college, we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion,” she said, according to the Daily Gazette. “I don’t think we should be tolerating [George’s] conservative views because that dominant culture embeds these deep inequalities in our society.”

George, a Swarthmore alumnus, came to campus to debate Cornell West.

Pro-life students at the University of Alabama were victims of a similar belief that conservative views should not be publicly espoused on campus. (RELATED: U. of Alabama censors pro-life students for ‘offensive’ poster)


And at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, merely emailing an inoffensive .gif of President Barack Obama kicking a door triggers an investigation. The perpetrator was forced to apologize for committing a racial insensitivity. (RELATED: Student forced to apologize for emailing pic of Obama kicking a door, because RACISM)


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Old 02-27-2014, 09:29 AM   #76
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You don't see the difference between making generalizations about a political group and making generalizations about a racial group?
You seem to be saying that people should be unable to make comparisons between one group and another because one is an inherited trait.

If that's what you're saying it seems like rather narrow thought process.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:30 AM   #77
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So......how does this square with the folks who wanted the KU professor fired for tweeting anti-gun stuff?
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:39 AM   #78
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You seem to be saying that people should be unable to make comparisons between one group and another because one is an inherited trait.

If that's what you're saying it seems like rather narrow thought process.
I'm just pointing out the vast differences between the two, which makes a comparison invalid in most ways. It's not a narrow thought process at all.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:40 AM   #79
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You don't see the difference between making generalizations about a political group and making generalizations about a racial group?
There's a difference, but doing either is ignorant and small minded.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:42 AM   #80
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I'm just pointing out the vast differences between the two, which makes a comparison invalid in most ways. It's not a narrow thought process at all.
It doesn't make the comparison invalid, to me. You can unfairly categorize one group or another based on the actions of a few. I don't really see why one category being race should automatically exclude it. It obviously is narrow thought.
Unless it's just a matter of convenience on one's part to dismiss the comparison because they don't like it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:43 AM   #81
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You don't see the difference between making generalizations about a political group and making generalizations about a racial group?
Do you see the important similarities?
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:55 AM   #82
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Do you think southern white racists make good examples of what is wrong with conservatives?
Depends? is that person a redneck, sitting on his porch in a torn wife-beater or is he a highly educated professor at an Ivy League university?
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:03 AM   #83
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Do you see the important similarities?
Not really. One group is a small collection of people of all races grouped by political views, who share likeminded values. The other is a large collection of people of one race, grouped only by race, who share infinitely different values. One group shares a great deal of commonality between members. The other group does not, and in fact only shares one trait consistently across the spectrum, which is race.

What similarities do you see?
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:07 AM   #84
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To summarize Fish's stance, and correct me if I'm wrong:

Implying members of the Tea Party are racists because of the actions of a few is ok.
Implying members of the African American race are criminals because of the actions of a few is not ok.
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To summarize Fish's stance, and correct me if I'm wrong:

Implying members of the Tea Party are racists because of the actions of a few is ok.
No, I never said that.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:11 AM   #86
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No, I never said that.
So, that's not what you're saying, but you're saying that comparing the two is wrong because one involves race.

And that's not narrow thinking.
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So, that's not what you're saying, but you're saying that comparing the two is wrong because one involves race.

And that's not narrow thinking.
What makes it narrow thinking? You're comparing one group who's members have a great deal in common, to another group who's members only have one distinguishing thing in common.
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What makes it narrow thinking? You're comparing one group who's members have a great deal in common, to another group who's members only have one distinguishing thing in common.
You seem confused. Pointing out unfair stereotypes is ok, but not at the same time in the same post in the form of comparison?

Um..
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The OP is really quite remarkable. Usually the right wants these professors held accountable for their comments and to not be protected by tenure, and in the case of public schools, free speech. Here, a student is saying, "Let's hold them accountable" and now the right is against it. The article calls it "rejection of intellectual freedom."

You folks are truly amazing.
Nobody should be "held accountable" in higher ed. A professor that believes the Holocaust didn't happen is a joke of a historian and likely produces terrible research, and the students will hate him/her as a professor. That professor won't be able to keep a job.

It gets better, too. With colleges and universities naturally avoiding tenure-track positions in favor of part-time adjuncts, there's never been an easier time to "clean out" professors who hold frankly unacademic views. There's no real reason to sacrifice good teachers or outstanding research for what she calls "justice."

This student is full of shit. I'm shocked it came from somebody who goes to Harvard. And as far as I'm concerned, she's just as bad as right-wingers who bitch about higher ed being an ivory tower of uncouth liberalism.
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Not really. One group is a small collection of people of all races grouped by political views, who share likeminded values. The other is a large collection of people of one race, grouped only by race, who share infinitely different values. One group shares a great deal of commonality between members. The other group does not, and in fact only shares one trait consistently across the spectrum, which is race.

What similarities do you see?
blaise has already covered them. The most important feature of both is the smearing of an entire group based on the actions of a subset of that group. The differences you list are all less significant than that central similarity.
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