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Old 02-25-2014, 10:10 PM  
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Harvard writer: Free speech threatens liberalism and must be destroyed

If this Harvard University student got her way, free speech on campus would be abolished and professors with dissenting views fired, because radical leftism is the only permissible political philosophy and the First Amendment is a barrier preventing modern colleges from fulfilling their proper role as indoctrination camps.

Her name is Sandra Korn. She is a senior at Harvard and columnist for the Harvard Crimson.

In a recent column, Korn unambiguously insisted that the university should stop guaranteeing professors and students the right to hold controversial views and pursue research that challenges liberalism.

“If our university community opposes racism, sexism, and heterosexism, why should we put up with research that counters our goals?” asked Korn in her column.

The column’s subtitle was even more direct: “Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice.”

Korn cited several instances of perspectives that clashed with her own being banned from campus as triumphant examples of the way Harvard should be run. The firing of Subramanian Swamy, a Harvard summer school instructor who was dismissed for his anti-Islamic views, was one such triumph.

She also invoked the academic boycott of Israel — something condemned by Harvard President Drew Faust and numerous other university presidents — as an example of the kind of tactics leftists should defend and use in order to get their way on campus.

Korn did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


Her sharp rejection of intellectual freedom — a value enshrined by U.S. law and central to the success of American institutions of higher learning — is common among left-wing activists at elite colleges. Last week, Erin Ching, a sophomore at Swarthmore College, took a similar view when she criticized her university for committing the unforgivable crime of allowing a conservative — Christian thinker Robert George — to speak on campus.

“What really bothered me is, the whole idea is that at a liberal arts college, we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion,” she said, according to the Daily Gazette. “I don’t think we should be tolerating [George’s] conservative views because that dominant culture embeds these deep inequalities in our society.”

George, a Swarthmore alumnus, came to campus to debate Cornell West.

Pro-life students at the University of Alabama were victims of a similar belief that conservative views should not be publicly espoused on campus. (RELATED: U. of Alabama censors pro-life students for ‘offensive’ poster)


And at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, merely emailing an inoffensive .gif of President Barack Obama kicking a door triggers an investigation. The perpetrator was forced to apologize for committing a racial insensitivity. (RELATED: Student forced to apologize for emailing pic of Obama kicking a door, because RACISM)


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Old 02-27-2014, 11:39 AM   #91
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Depends? is that person a redneck, sitting on his porch in a torn wife-beater or is he a highly educated professor at an Ivy League university?
I am unfamiliar with the highly educated professor at an Ivy league university you speak of. I think perhaps I missed the story you are referencing?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:41 AM   #92
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blaise has already covered them. The most important feature of both is the smearing of an entire group based on the actions of a subset of that group. The differences you list are all less significant than that central similarity.
No, not really. One group is smeared because they share like minded ideas and values. They're smeared for the beliefs they willingly choose. There's a specific belief they share, albeit some share it much more passionately than others in the group. It's also a group they can willingly leave if they choose.

The other group does not share like minded values. They're smeared only for their skin color, which they didn't choose.

The smearing is not applied the same to each group, or for the same reasons. The differences outweigh any similarities.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:42 AM   #93
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I am unfamiliar with the highly educated professor at an Ivy league university you speak of. I think perhaps I missed the story you are referencing?
I was just drawing extremes.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:45 AM   #94
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No, not really. One group is smeared because they share like minded ideas and values. They're smeared for the beliefs they willingly choose. There's a specific belief they share, albeit some share it much more passionately than others in the group. It's also a group they can willingly leave if they choose.

The other group does not share like minded values. They're smeared only for their skin color, which they didn't choose.

The smearing is not applied the same to each group, or for the same reasons. The differences outweigh any similarities.
So, we seem to be back to you saying it's ok to smear one group but not the other.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:48 AM   #95
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No, not really. One group is smeared because they share like minded ideas and values. They're smeared for the beliefs they willingly choose. There's a specific belief they share, albeit some share it much more passionately than others in the group. It's also a group they can willingly leave if they choose.

The other group does not share like minded values. They're smeared only for their skin color, which they didn't choose.

The smearing is not applied the same to each group, or for the same reasons. The differences outweigh any similarities.
No, that's not true at all.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:49 AM   #96
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So, we seem to be back to you saying it's ok to smear one group but not the other.
Apparently Fish doesn't believe people who consider themselves tea party are being smeared. He seems to think they're all racists.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:50 AM   #97
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So, we seem to be back to you saying it's ok to smear one group but not the other.
We're back to you drawing conclusions out your butthole. It's not OK to smear any group. The smearing of the two groups you listed are both wrong. But still, they're wrong for completely different reasons that don't compare well.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:51 AM   #98
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No, that's not true at all.
Especially considering the smear in question in this case, going back to the post of mine Fish initially quoted, was about racism. Tea Party members don't have "racism" as part of their set of beliefs. That's not a stated plank.

Really hard to figure out exactly what it is in my post, I think #71, that he actually disagrees with. Seems to be just some vague notion that race is deserving of special consideration that makes people unable to use it as a basis of comparison.
Like I said before, that's generally just convenient for the purposes of argument. "Well, my stereotype is ok, yours is not. Yours is based on race."

Sort of like having your cake and eating it, too.
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No, that's not true at all.
Tea Party members don't share like minded values and ideas?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:54 AM   #100
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We're back to you drawing conclusions out your butthole. It's not OK to smear any group. The smearing of the two groups you listed are both wrong. But still, they're wrong for completely different reasons that don't compare well.
They compare fine. Both are stereotypes.
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Tea Party members don't share like minded values and ideas?
Sharing a like minded political value means you're racists, or that it's somehow ok to stereotype them as racists?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:56 AM   #102
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This student is full of shit. I'm shocked it came from somebody who goes to Harvard. And as far as I'm concerned, she's just as bad as right-wingers who bitch about higher ed being an ivory tower of uncouth liberalism.
I don't agree with her. My point was the same as what you've written here. I said that the right wingers who bitch just doing the same as she is, but they've been doing it for a lot longer.
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What a disastrous display by Fish. Can't say I was too familiar with him before but this is just goofy shit here. It's like bumper sticker mentality horseshit. "You can't compare because one is a race!"
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Tea Party members don't share like minded values and ideas?
Not on racism (if we're taking as an assumption that there are a few racists who identify with the tea party). It doesn't really matter if they all agree that cheeseburgers are better than hot dogs.
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Tea Party members don't share like minded values and ideas?


If this were true the rest of the R'd and most of the D's would either be thrilled or scared to death. If there is one thing that would serve as a good description of the Tea Party it would be they have no central like minded value or ideals.

You are a nitwit. This is a poor attempt to bring race into a discussion in the OP that had no racial element. Al Sharpton you are not.
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