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Old 02-26-2014, 08:07 PM  
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Down goes Arizonas Anti-gay Bill

Governor vetoes it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:21 AM   #76
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No, you've misunderstood the problem. This law isn't specifically about dealing with gays although the same sex marriage revolution was a motivator, I'm sure. It could also apply to a non-gay issue like abortion. This amendment was about, for example, preventing a local jurisdiction from going beyond what the state of Arizona has decided is an acceptable infringement on religious liberty. It wouldn't change anything about what discrimination is allowed in Arizona, it would just prevent local jurisdictions from changing what is allowed.

"Claimed religious beliefs" aren't enough, btw, and it in no way allows people with legitimate religious beliefs to discriminate against "anyone".
The intent was twisted to turn this into an issue that cannot be won. Brewer was right to veto it. Now, some oddball nut bag group like the gay hate group from Kansas will go find some gay owned bakery and order a cake that says God Hates pillowbiters. Then off we go. The exact same issue turned inside out. The only thing they need to do is protect businesses from having to do business in that manner and not get sued. Its pretty simple but it was taken to the extreme by extremists. sad.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:31 AM   #77
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The intent was twisted to turn this into an issue that cannot be won. Brewer was right to veto it. Now, some oddball nut bag group like the gay hate group from Kansas will go find some gay owned bakery and order a cake that says God Hates pillowbiters. Then off we go. The exact same issue turned inside out. The only thing they need to do is protect businesses from having to do business in that manner and not get sued. Its pretty simple but it was taken to the extreme by extremists. sad.
To your point and Judicial activism right here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9B602S20131207

Judge say's not baking cakes for gays is harmful to society but had this been a Muslim cake shop owner telling them NO it's not a story and no legal action would have taken place I assure you.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:32 AM   #78
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This required another thread. I posted yesterday, that it wasn't going to pass.
Also, it was too broadly written. ( that was its falldown)
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:42 AM   #79
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There's a spectrum of possible infringements on religious liberty when it comes to commercial transactions.

On one end, we have a retail store or restaurant open to the public where a gay person/couple or a divorcee or abortion doctor walk in and want to buy something unrelated to the attributes for which the religious proprietor would object. E.g. A gay man walks into a convenience store to buy a gallon of milk.

On the other end, we have a customer seeking a much more intimate relationship that strikes at the heart of the religious objection. E.g. an abortion doctor contacts a landlord seeking to lease office space for his abortion clinic.

In between, we have such things as the baker who is asked to provide a wedding cake for a same sex marriage.

In all three cases, courts use a balancing test defined in the RFRA, so it's not true that Arizonans are or would have been free to discriminate just because they didn't like gays.

The Arizona RFRA currently establishes a standard for courts to use to determine when discrimination is impermissible. Namely, the state's interest in infringement must be compelling and the state must not be able to satisfy that interest in a less restrictive way. That wouldn't have been changed by this amendment. The amendment clarifies two issues that have been the source of litigation in other states that have identical RFRA language, it doesn't legalize discrimination in any way. If you've been lead to believe it does, you've been suckered.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:43 AM   #80
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This required another thread. I posted yesterday, that it wasn't going to pass.
Also, it was too broadly written. ( that was its falldown)
What part was too broadly written? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am skeptical.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:05 AM   #81
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There's a spectrum of possible infringements on religious liberty when it comes to commercial transactions.

On one end, we have a retail store or restaurant open to the public where a gay person/couple or a divorcee or abortion doctor walk in and want to buy something unrelated to the attributes for which the religious proprietor would object. E.g. A gay man walks into a convenience store to buy a gallon of milk.

On the other end, we have a customer seeking a much more intimate relationship that strikes at the heart of the religious objection. E.g. an abortion doctor contacts a landlord seeking to lease office space for his abortion clinic.

In between, we have such things as the baker who is asked to provide a wedding cake for a same sex marriage.

In all three cases, courts use a balancing test defined in the RFRA, so it's not true that Arizonans are or would have been free to discriminate just because they didn't like gays.

The Arizona RFRA currently establishes a standard for courts to use to determine when discrimination is impermissible. Namely, the state's interest in infringement must be compelling and the state must not be able to satisfy that interest in a less restrictive way. That wouldn't have been changed by this amendment. The amendment clarifies two issues that have been the source of litigation in other states that have identical RFRA language, it doesn't legalize discrimination in any way. If you've been lead to believe it does, you've been suckered.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:40 AM   #82
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What part was too broadly written? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am skeptical.
Just going by what the governor said when I saw her speak live on TV just after she vetoed it. So I don't know. I had read yesterday that was mentioned. Brewer only spoke in general that it was too broadly written.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:44 AM   #83
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You mean when I agreed with you? Unfortunately for you the ability to be objective and see the flaws and strengths in both sides is still eluding you. Get off your ideology and you might learn something.
He thought for a second that you were "jumping shark" to the other side. What cosmo fails to understand is that you don't HAVE to agree and support every single idea of one side's platform.

He's either dumber than I think (which I doubt) and honestly thought that since you found an issue that you identify with the left's current position on it means that you've jumped from red to blue for everything. Or more likely, he's the exact definition that was discussed at length in a thread last week...A PARTISAN HACKJOB.
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Just going by what the governor said when I saw her speak live on TV just after she vetoed it. So I don't know. I had read yesterday that was mentioned. Brewer only spoke in general that it was too broadly written.
She was taking a political position. She vetoed the bill because she doesn't want to deal with the backlash from businesses who would have to deal with the backlash from activist boycotts and such. Opponents of the bill were wildly successful (and largely dishonest) in the PR battle. But she had to give a reason that didn't completely alienate her base. The "over broad" reason allows her to veto without saying she opposes the religious freedom intent behind the bill. I don't think we can put too much stock in that.

I don't dismiss the possibility that there is an "over broad" problem, but it's not very convincing if critics can't be specific.
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No, you've misunderstood the problem. This law isn't specifically about dealing with gays although the same sex marriage revolution was a motivator, I'm sure. It could also apply to a non-gay issue like abortion. This amendment was about, for example, preventing a local jurisdiction from going beyond what the state of Arizona has decided is an acceptable infringement on religious liberty. It wouldn't change anything about what discrimination is allowed in Arizona, it would just prevent local jurisdictions from changing what is allowed.

"Claimed religious beliefs" aren't enough, btw, and it in no way allows people with legitimate religious beliefs to discriminate against "anyone".
No, I've pinpointed the problem. I agree that the law isn't specifically about dealing with gays--however, that is the real intention of it. The problem, other than wanting to target gays in the first place, is that it now legitimizes discrimination against a whole bunch of others as well.

No one suggested this law before, when there was a very real threat (rolls eyes) of a devout Christian having to serve a Muslim or Wiccan client. Suddenly, the rise of the gays has necessitated a law "protecting religion."

It's a law motivated by anti-gay sentiment. But since they don't want to write something that says "You don't have to deal with homos" they couch it in "religious protection" which then creates so many other issues that were never problem in the first place.
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No, I've pinpointed the problem. I agree that the law isn't specifically about dealing with gays--however, that is the real intention of it. The problem, other than wanting to target gays in the first place, is that it now legitimizes discrimination against a whole bunch of others as well.

No one suggested this law before, when there was a very real threat (rolls eyes) of a devout Christian having to serve a Muslim or Wiccan client. Suddenly, the rise of the gays has necessitated a law "protecting religion."

It's a law motivated by anti-gay sentiment. But since they don't want to write something that says "You don't have to deal with homos" they couch it in "religious protection" which then creates so many other issues that were never problem in the first place.

That Gay is new. Back in the old days, like the 80s, we never had the gay. The gay is everywhere now
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No, I've pinpointed the problem. I agree that the law isn't specifically about dealing with gays--however, that is the real intention of it. The problem, other than wanting to target gays in the first place, is that it now legitimizes discrimination against a whole bunch of others as well.

No one suggested this law before, when there was a very real threat (rolls eyes) of a devout Christian having to serve a Muslim or Wiccan client. Suddenly, the rise of the gays has necessitated a law "protecting religion."

It's a law motivated by anti-gay sentiment. But since they don't want to write something that says "You don't have to deal with homos" they couch it in "religious protection" which then creates so many other issues that were never problem in the first place.
It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're talking about and you're unwilling to learn.

Not only has someone suggested this law before, it already exists in 18 states and at the federal level. The amendment doesn't legitimize discrimination, it makes clarification changes such as indicating that corporations, partnerships and associations fall within the meaning of "person" for purposes of the statute.
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It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're talking about and you're unwilling to learn.

Not only has someone suggested this law before, it already exists in 18 states and at the federal level. The amendment doesn't legitimize discrimination, it makes clarification changes such as indicating that corporations, partnerships and associations fall within the meaning of "person" for purposes of the statute.
Yes--in order to make sure they don't have to deal with gays. Do you not see how ****ed up that is to make sure a corporation is considered a person for the purpose of allowing it not to deal with gays? Corporations have religions?
As I said before, no one was worried about the corporations' religious beliefs before the Rise of the Gays. Surely, just a coincidence.
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Yes--in order to make sure they don't have to deal with gays. Do you not see how ****ed up that is to make sure a corporation is considered a person for the purpose of allowing it not to deal with gays? Corporations have religions?
As I said before, no one was worried about the corporations' religious beliefs before the Rise of the Gays. Surely, just a coincidence.
Corporations are collections of one or more human being owners who do have religious beliefs.

You've said it before, but you've always been wrong. The most high profile issue involving the worry over corporations and religious beliefs today involves Obamacare and contraception, not the Rise of the Gays. The original RFRA act was signed by President Clinton and was motivated by issues completely unrelated to gays or same sex marriage.

As *I've* said before, you don't know what you're talking about on this issue.
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