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Old 02-27-2014, 10:23 AM  
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:38 AM   #91
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I notice this on twitter. The people I follow that tweet assholish stuff about religion are always atheists. "Christians are stupid," kind of stuff. Gets tedious. I don't want to be petty and unfollow over it, but it's pretty annoying. I don't religious guys saying atheists are dumbasses.
I'm sure they're out there, but I'm just going by the sample that I follow.
I'm not an atheist.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:39 AM   #92
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I'm not an atheist.
Ok. I wasn't responing to you, or talking about you.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:43 AM   #93
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Fine, then substitute the sin of stealing a candy bar from a convenience store.

Is THAT exactly the same in the eyes of God as the rape and murder of a 10 year old girl?
all have sinned and fall short....now, there are six things God hates..but Christ came for the forgiveness of sins.... murderers don't need salvation more than the guy who stole a candy bar....The book of Job illustrates that even the the righteous need salvation.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:45 AM   #94
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Ok. I wasn't responing to you, or talking about you.
Understood. I'm simply saying that I make a lot of posts that are harshly critical of certain religious beliefs. Some people could assume that makes me an atheist. It doesn't.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:47 AM   #95
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all have sinned and fall short....now, there are six things God hates..but Christ came for the forgiveness of sins.... murderers don't need salvation more than the guy who stole a candy bar....The book of Job illustrates that even the the righteous need salvation.
That was an evasion. It wasn't a direct answer to a direct question.

Are those sins equally bad?
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:52 AM   #96
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That was an evasion. It wasn't a direct answer to a direct question.

Are those sins equally bad?

not really...all have sinned and fall short pretty much sums it up...
that said....not if their names are in the Book of Life...the wages of sin is death. Everyone stands before God and gives an account...do you think that there are different levels of Hell?

btw, Hell eventually gets thrown into the Lake of Fire.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:55 AM   #97
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You know there was a time when collecting interest was an unpardonable sin? Same with divorce, hair-braiding, crop rotation, interracial marriage, and tattoos. Slavery, torture, and witch-burning were fine, though, once.

Times change. Culture refines. Religion refines with it. I like to think that over time, it's for the better.
this is the big lie...man is getting better, man is evolving.

man worship....setting the the stage for anti Christ
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:05 AM   #98
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I notice this on twitter. The people I follow that tweet assholish stuff about religion are always atheists. "Christians are stupid," kind of stuff. Gets tedious. I don't want to be petty and unfollow over it, but it's pretty annoying. I don't religious guys saying atheists are dumbasses.
I'm sure they're out there, but I'm just going by the sample that I follow.
Evangelical judging/pushy atheists are just as bad as evangelical judging/pushy Christians.
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:53 AM   #99
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Evangelical judging/pushy atheists are just as bad as evangelical judging/pushy Christians.
I have always maintained that anyone who insists that THEY KNOW THERE IS NO GOD is using the same degree of faith and arrogance as anyone who insists that if you don't believe exactly what they believe, you are going to hell.

My position is that I simply don't know. I'm willing to be convinced one way or the other if I see compelling evidence either way, but I'm not willing to blindly accept either argument.

I believe that is the definition of agnosticism. Some people claim that agnostics are simply closet atheists. That's not true.

I certainly hope that my consciousness and memories will continue on after my physical body fails. However, I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where billions of good and decent people have been excluded simply because they didn't accept without evidence the assertions of ANY religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, or whatever. It may turn out that one single religious denomination is 100% correct down to 10 decimal places. It may be the Fundamental Baptists, or it may be the Southern Baptists, or it may be the Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, or other Protestant religions. It may turn out to be the Muslims. It may turn out that either the Ancient Greeks or Romans are the ones who had it all figured out, and that Zeus or Odin is really God Almighty. Hell, as unlikely as it sounds, it could even turn out that the Westboro Baptist Church are the ones who have it exactly right, and that God really DOES hate all gay people.

But I'll be surprised if any of those turns out to be the case. I think it's equally likely that the Universe was created by an omnipotent being who, even if he doesn't call himself God, is close enough as far as we are concerned. He may take a personal interest in each of the billions of humans who have ever lived or will ever live, or he may have just set things in motion billions of years ago and then moved on to his next project. I think it's also possible that God as an individual doesn't exist at all.

The fact is that I don't know. And I don't think anybody really does. All I can do is live my life according to what I think are moral values and let the chips fall where they may.
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #100
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I have always maintained that anyone who insists that THEY KNOW THERE IS NO GOD is using the same degree of faith and arrogance as anyone who insists that if you don't believe exactly what they believe, you are going to hell.

My position is that I simply don't know. I'm willing to be convinced one way or the other if I see compelling evidence either way, but I'm not willing to blindly accept either argument.

I believe that is the definition of agnosticism. Some people claim that agnostics are simply closet atheists. That's not true.

I certainly hope that my consciousness and memories will continue on after my physical body fails. However, I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where billions of good and decent people have been excluded simply because they didn't accept without evidence the assertions of ANY religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, or whatever. It may turn out that one single religious denomination is 100% correct down to 10 decimal places. It may be the Fundamental Baptists, or it may be the Southern Baptists, or it may be the Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, or other Protestant religions. It may turn out to be the Muslims. It may turn out that either the Ancient Greeks or Romans are the ones who had it all figured out, and that Zeus or Odin is really God Almighty. Hell, as unlikely as it sounds, it could even turn out that the Westboro Baptist Church are the ones who have it exactly right, and that God really DOES hate all gay people.

But I'll be surprised if any of those turns out to be the case. I think it's equally likely that the Universe was created by an omnipotent being who, even if he doesn't call himself God, is close enough as far as we are concerned. He may take a personal interest in each of the billions of humans who have ever lived or will ever live, or he may have just set things in motion billions of years ago and then moved on to his next project. I think it's also possible that God as an individual doesn't exist at all.

The fact is that I don't know. And I don't think anybody really does. All I can do is live my life according to what I think are moral values and let the chips fall where they may.
This is very close to where I stand~
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:06 AM   #101
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Evangelical judging/pushy atheists are just as bad as evangelical judging/pushy Christians.
Wow, what a remarkably accurate and concise statement. What the hell is that doing in this thread?
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Huh? Yesterday you were calling it mythology. I guess that's the part that's "not close" to where you stand?
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:14 AM   #103
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I have always maintained that anyone who insists that THEY KNOW THERE IS NO GOD is using the same degree of faith and arrogance as anyone who insists that if you don't believe exactly what they believe, you are going to hell.

My position is that I simply don't know. I'm willing to be convinced one way or the other if I see compelling evidence either way, but I'm not willing to blindly accept either argument.

I believe that is the definition of agnosticism. Some people claim that agnostics are simply closet atheists. That's not true.

I certainly hope that my consciousness and memories will continue on after my physical body fails. However, I wouldn't want to live in a heaven where billions of good and decent people have been excluded simply because they didn't accept without evidence the assertions of ANY religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, or whatever. It may turn out that one single religious denomination is 100% correct down to 10 decimal places. It may be the Fundamental Baptists, or it may be the Southern Baptists, or it may be the Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, or other Protestant religions. It may turn out to be the Muslims. It may turn out that either the Ancient Greeks or Romans are the ones who had it all figured out, and that Zeus or Odin is really God Almighty. Hell, as unlikely as it sounds, it could even turn out that the Westboro Baptist Church are the ones who have it exactly right, and that God really DOES hate all gay people.

But I'll be surprised if any of those turns out to be the case. I think it's equally likely that the Universe was created by an omnipotent being who, even if he doesn't call himself God, is close enough as far as we are concerned. He may take a personal interest in each of the billions of humans who have ever lived or will ever live, or he may have just set things in motion billions of years ago and then moved on to his next project. I think it's also possible that God as an individual doesn't exist at all.

The fact is that I don't know. And I don't think anybody really does. All I can do is live my life according to what I think are moral values and let the chips fall where they may.
This is pretty much my thoughts as well.

One thing actually. Technically you are a atheist. Maybe not capital letter Atheist but the definition of atheist is not holding a belief in a supernatural power. Theist IS having such a belief. It's you either believe in a supernatural being or you don't.

I could say I'm agnostic about fairies, but I don't think they exist. Are you agnostic about fairies?

I can't prove there is no god or fairies for that matter, no one can, but if I do not have a belief in a god, technically I have no "religious faith" and are hence an atheist.

I know its the ultimate in splitting hairs but technically if you don't believe the claims of the bible / koran / torah you are a sinner/heretic/agnostic/atheist. At least according to the faithful.
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:37 AM   #104
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Huh? Yesterday you were calling it mythology. I guess that's the part that's "not close" to where you stand?
I do not see any compelling evidence that those ancient writing are anything but myth. That applies to the big three monotheisms along with the countless splinter beliefs also. There might be a prime mover and I have not seen any compelling evidence that proves there is not. Sam Harris sums this up rather well when speaking to catastrophes. It also works regarding all tragedies:

“Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely.
The only sense to make of tragedies like this is that terrible things can happen to perfectly innocent people. This understanding inspires compassion.
Religious faith, on the other hand, erodes compassion. Thoughts like, “this might be all part of God’s plan,” or “there are no accidents in life,” or “everyone on some level gets what he or she deserves” – these ideas are not only stupid, they are extraordinarily callous. They are nothing more than a childish refusal to connect with the suffering of other human beings. It is time to grow up and let our hearts break at moments like this”
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:42 AM   #105
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This is pretty much my thoughts as well.

One thing actually. Technically you are a atheist. Maybe not capital letter Atheist but the definition of atheist is not holding a belief in a supernatural power. Theist IS having such a belief. It's you either believe in a supernatural being or you don't.

I could say I'm agnostic about fairies, but I don't think they exist. Are you agnostic about fairies?

I can't prove there is no god or fairies for that matter, no one can, but if I do not have a belief in a god, technically I have no "religious faith" and are hence an atheist.

I know its the ultimate in splitting hairs but technically if you don't believe the claims of the bible / koran / torah you are a sinner/heretic/agnostic/atheist. At least according to the faithful.
I have no problem with atheists...that's their choice and in truth I can see why so many come from that viewpoint when you look at the world. I can also see how many can be turned off by the ranks of the religious; mankind is an imperfect vehicle for the word of God, myself included. Where they disappoint me is when they go out of their way to insult and demean those who do believe. It's childish and ugly.
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