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Old 02-28-2014, 11:30 AM   #121
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I really don't mean to be vague, I just don't want to get dragged into an argument. But a very simplified version is that if you believe God have us free will (which I do), then that free will must be total.

That said, I completely understand and respect the agnostic/atheistic view, and don't plan to argue much against it.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:32 AM   #122
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I really don't mean to be vague, I just don't want to get dragged into an argument. But a very simplified version is that if you believe God have us free will (which I do), then that free will must be total.

That said, I completely understand and respect the agnostic/atheistic view, and don't plan to argue much against it.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:42 AM   #124
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I can fully respect this viewpoint. I will say however that I wish you fully explore the Bible and its teachings. I think one thing that has sullied Christianity is the wide range of beliefs it encompasses. Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Muslims (on and on) all of these groups have members who consider themselves to be Christians or believe in Christianity. Even throw in those idiots from Westboro who claim to be Christians, and the media perspective on Christianity is one of disdain.

I do not wish to call myself a Christian, because I believe the word has been skewed so badly that the term "Christian" implies nothing of importance. I consider myself to be a sinner saved by Grace. Only through Christ's blood is there a remission of sins, and I know and accept that Christ died for my sins and I accept his free gift of salvation. I am not saved by going to Church or doing good deeds, or being a good person. I am saved and redeemed by and through Jesus Christ alone. He is my hope and my resurrection. I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that I will be in heaven when I die.


Brainiac and anyone else who reads this, I implore you to do your research. I am not preaching at you, but I would be remiss if I did not tell you that you are missing out on the greatest gift ever given. I will undoubtedly get made fun of for this post, but my ego does not matter when souls are looking for truth. Salvation is free to anyone who simply understands and accepts Jesus Christ and what he did. Your past doesn't matter, Jesus blood will wipe all and every sin away.
Let me offer some advice to you for the sake of keeping peace and understanding each other.

When talking to someone with a belief that Brainiac, myself and others have, it's best not to ask them to read the bible.

There is a key difference between Faith and Fact. I'm not sure what's happening in Brainiac's head, so I'll use myself as an example.

I can respect your Faith. The best argument anyone can have for me is Faith. "Detoxing, i don't have definitive proof that god exists, but i have Faith and that's all i need".

Bam. Argument over as far as im concerned. I can respect your faith and understand where it comes from.

However, when someone cites the Bible or other man made writings as definitive proof that God exists, that's when we run into problems.

You're asking me to switch from Faith to Fact. You're asking me to analyze and use my common sense. When i do that, the Bible & religion looks like it has more holes in it than a fat bitch in fishnets.

I can accept faith and NOT dismiss the idea of God as long as i am coming from a supernatural place that accepts the idea that i do not know the unknown. But when you ask me to find my faith by reading the bible, you're asking me to use my analytic, common sense side.

And when i do that....i just want to kick the entire idea of God and Religion out the window. The analytic side of my brain can't imagine why anyone would believe in the bible.

Again, in order for me to accept the idea that God exists, i have to NOT analyze the bible and put MORE power in Faith.

So please, don't ask anyone who's agnostic to turn to the bible or any teachings for proof. You're begging them to go full blown atheist on your ass.

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Old 02-28-2014, 12:05 PM   #125
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Let me offer some advice to you for the sake of keeping peace and understanding each other.

When talking to someone with a belief that Brainiac, myself and others have, it's best not to ask them to read the bible.

There is a key difference between Faith and Fact. I'm not sure what's happening in Brainiac's head, so I'll use myself as an example.

I can respect your Faith. The best argument anyone can have for me is Faith. "Detoxing, i don't have definitive proof that god exists, but i have Faith and that's all i need".

Bam. Argument over as far as im concerned. I can respect your faith and understand where it comes from.

However, when someone cites the Bible or other man made writings as definitive proof that God exists, that's when we run into problems.

You're asking me to switch from Faith to Fact. You're asking me to analyze and use my common sense. When i do that, the Bible & religion looks like it has more holes in it than a fat bitch in fishnets.

I can accept faith and NOT dismiss the idea of God as long as i am coming from a supernatural place that accepts the idea that i do not know the unknown. But when you ask me to find my faith by reading the bible, you're asking me to use my analytic, common sense side.

And when i do that....i just want to kick the entire idea of God and Religion out the window. The analytic side of my brain can't imagine why anyone would believe in the bible.

Again, in order for me to accept the idea that God exists, i have to NOT analyze the bible and put MORE power in Faith.

So please, don't ask anyone who's agnostic to turn to the bible or any teachings for proof. You're begging them to go full blown atheist on your ass.

Ok, but then when brainiac says "My position is that I simply don't know. I'm willing to be convinced one way or the other if I see compelling evidence either way, but I'm not willing to blindly accept either argument" you are telling me that I should not suggest reading something that he will either accept or refute? He said he is willing to be convinced, but how can he be convinced about Biblical beliefs if he does not read the Book that is the foundation of them?

I understand what you are saying, but if someone is willing to dig deeper to fulfill their own thirst for knowledge, you would have them not do it? I am very against stem cell research, but I was challenged by someone on here to really research stem cell, and I found that not all avenues are as bad as I had been led to believe. If I had not researched something I appalled initially, I would not have the knowledge I do now, and I corrected my flawed knowledge.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:07 PM   #126
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Let me offer some advice to you for the sake of keeping peace and understanding each other.

When talking to someone with a belief that Brainiac, myself and others have, it's best not to ask them to read the bible.

There is a key difference between Faith and Fact. I'm not sure what's happening in Brainiac's head, so I'll use myself as an example.

I can respect your Faith. The best argument anyone can have for me is Faith. "Detoxing, i don't have definitive proof that god exists, but i have Faith and that's all i need".

Bam. Argument over as far as im concerned. I can respect your faith and understand where it comes from.

However, when someone cites the Bible or other man made writings as definitive proof that God exists, that's when we run into problems.

You're asking me to switch from Faith to Fact. You're asking me to analyze and use my common sense. When i do that, the Bible & religion looks like it has more holes in it than a fat bitch in fishnets.

I can accept faith and NOT dismiss the idea of God as long as i am coming from a supernatural place that accepts the idea that i do not know the unknown. But when you ask me to find my faith by reading the bible, you're asking me to use my analytic, common sense side.

And when i do that....i just want to kick the entire idea of God and Religion out the window. The analytic side of my brain can't imagine why anyone would believe in the bible.
Again, in order for me to accept the idea that God exists, i have to NOT analyze the bible and put MORE power in Faith.

So please, don't ask anyone who's agnostic to turn to the bible or any teachings for proof. You're begging them to go full blown atheist on your ass.

It seems as if you have already kicked the idea of God and Religion out the window. So nothing I say should hinder or encourage you either way, and I won't try to. I respect your stance, but I will always respond to those who say they could be convinced.
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This is pretty much my thoughts as well.

One thing actually. Technically you are a atheist. Maybe not capital letter Atheist but the definition of atheist is not holding a belief in a supernatural power. Theist IS having such a belief. It's you either believe in a supernatural being or you don't.

I could say I'm agnostic about fairies, but I don't think they exist. Are you agnostic about fairies?

I can't prove there is no god or fairies for that matter, no one can, but if I do not have a belief in a god, technically I have no "religious faith" and are hence an atheist.

I know its the ultimate in splitting hairs but technically if you don't believe the claims of the bible / koran / torah you are a sinner/heretic/agnostic/atheist. At least according to the faithful.
As you pointed out, there is a difference between an Atheist (capital "A") and an atheist (lowercase "a"). The Atheist label applies to people who I would call militant, in your face atheists who insist that they KNOW there is no God, and they are hell-bent to remove all references to the Christian God, even when those references are completely harmless. I have no problem with seeing pictures of Mary, Joseph and Jesus in public places at Christmas. That's completely different in my mind from putting disclaimers in Biology textbooks that claim that evolution is an unproven theory. The latter is potentially harmful.

That's why I prefer the term agnostic. I'm not part of any movement, I respect the beliefs of others, and I acknowledge the fact that God could exist. If I saw evidence of God's existence that I found compelling, I would believe. I just don't base my life on a belief that is unproven.

As Stephen King said in Thinner: If you don't believe it because you don't see it, you're a skeptic. If you see it but you refuse to believe it, you're an asshole.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:10 PM   #128
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As you pointed out, there is a difference between an Atheist (capital "A") and an atheist (lowercase "a"). The Atheist label applies to people who I would call militant, in your face atheists who insist that they KNOW there is no God, and they are hell-bent to remove all references to the Christian God, even when those references are completely harmless. I have no problem with seeing pictures of Mary, Joseph and Jesus in public places at Christmas. That's completely different in my mind from putting disclaimers in Biology textbooks that claim that evolution is an unproven theory. The latter is potentially harmful.

That's why I prefer the term agnostic. I'm not part of any movement, I respect the beliefs of others, and I acknowledge the fact that God could exist. If I saw evidence of God's existence that I found compelling, I would believe. I just don't base my life on a belief that is unproven.

As Stephen King said in Thinner: If you don't believe it because you don't see it, you're a skeptic. If you see it but you refuse to believe it, you're an asshole.
Let me bend your ear for a second. What would it take for you to see evidence of God's existence?
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As you pointed out, there is a difference between an Atheist (capital "A") and an atheist (lowercase "a"). The Atheist label applies to people who I would call militant, in your face atheists who insist that they KNOW there is no God, and they are hell-bent to remove all references to the Christian God, even when those references are completely harmless. I have no problem with seeing pictures of Mary, Joseph and Jesus in public places at Christmas. That's completely different in my mind from putting disclaimers in Biology textbooks that claim that evolution is an unproven theory. The latter is potentially harmful.

That's why I prefer the term agnostic. I'm not part of any movement, I respect the beliefs of others, and I acknowledge the fact that God could exist. If I saw evidence of God's existence that I found compelling, I would believe. I just don't base my life on a belief that is unproven.

As Stephen King said in Thinner: If you don't believe it because you don't see it, you're a skeptic. If you see it but you refuse to believe it, you're an asshole.
Yep. Ironically, the Atheists are just fervent in their "knowledge" as are many religious folk.
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Ok, but then when brainiac says "My position is that I simply don't know. I'm willing to be convinced one way or the other if I see compelling evidence either way, but I'm not willing to blindly accept either argument" you are telling me that I should not suggest reading something that he will either accept or refute? He said he is willing to be convinced, but how can he be convinced about Biblical beliefs if he does not read the Book that is the foundation of them?

I understand what you are saying, but if someone is willing to dig deeper to fulfill their own thirst for knowledge, you would have them not do it? I am very against stem cell research, but I was challenged by someone on here to really research stem cell, and I found that not all avenues are as bad as I had been led to believe. If I had not researched something I appalled initially, I would not have the knowledge I do now, and I corrected my flawed knowledge.
I would argue that the biggest issue Atheists have with religion is in fact the bible. That's the biggest deterrent. Some of the most damning evidence against religion is found in the very same bible you want people to read.

I could be wrong, but i think Brainiac is referring to actual physical proof. Divine internvention, not just coincidence. Man made writings from however many years ago does not = proof. It's quite the opposite.
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It seems as if you have already kicked the idea of God and Religion out the window. So nothing I say should hinder or encourage you either way, and I won't try to. I respect your stance, but I will always respond to those who say they could be convinced.
I have kicked religion out the window, yes. Squarely in the nuts. However, i do not deny or confirm the existence of God. In order for me to acknowledge the existence of God I'll need more faith, and that faith absolutely will not come from the Bible or anything any man says.
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I really don't mean to be vague, I just don't want to get dragged into an argument. But a very simplified version is that if you believe God have us free will (which I do), then that free will must be total.

That said, I completely understand and respect the agnostic/atheistic view, and don't plan to argue much against it.
Fair enough however freewill doesn't cover things that happen to innocent people through catastrophe. It falls short on the countless children who live and die in agonizing pain everyday. It is a get out of blame clause that is used by people who in turn heap praise for the smallest good event on god. In my opinion anyway. A long way of saying I completely disagree with you~
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I would argue that the biggest issue Atheists have with religion is in fact the bible. That's the biggest deterrent. Some of the most damning evidence against religion is found in the very same bible you want people to read.

I could be wrong, but i think Brainiac is referring to actual physical proof. Divine internvention, not just coincidence. Man made writings from however many years ago does not = proof. It's quite the opposite.
I respect that. And frankly, there is only so much proof that can be shown. For a believer, faith takes over where the eyes cannot see. Faith is the foundation of salvation. So I can see why you would never believe. I will close by using the words of a man much wiser than myself.

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Old 02-28-2014, 12:21 PM   #135
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atheist is not a proper noun, you don't need to capitalize it.

Trying to differentiate an "Atheist" from an "atheist" I think just adds confusion as to what an atheist really is

That word has such a stigma to it I think people are afraid to use it unless they are describing someone who burns bibles or something
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