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Greenpeace co-founder: No scientific evidence of man-made global warming

There is no scientific evidence that human activity is causing the planet to warm, according to Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore, who testified in front of a Senate committee on Tuesday.

Moore argued that the current argument that the burning of fossil fuels is driving global warming over the past century lacks scientific evidence. He added that the Earth is in an unusually cold period and some warming would be a good thing.

“There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” according to Moore’s prepared testimony. “Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species.”

“It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a [two degrees Celsius] rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species,” Moore said. “We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing.”

“It could be said that frost and ice are the enemies of life, except for those relatively few species that have evolved to adapt to freezing temperatures during this Pleistocene Ice Age,” he added. “It is ‘extremely likely’ that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.”

Indeed, cold weather is more likely to cause death than warm weather. RealClearScience reported that from “1999 to 2010, a total of 4,563 individuals died from heat, but 7,778 individuals died from the cold.” Only in 2006 did heat-related deaths outnumber cold deaths.

In Britain, 24,000 people are projected to die this winter because they cannot afford to pay their energy bills. Roughly 4.5 million British families are facing “fuel poverty.”

“The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” Moore said.

“When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time,” he added. “Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.”

Moore, a Canadian, helped found the environmental activist group Greenpeace in the 1970s. He left the group after they began to take on more radical positions. He has since been a critic of radical environmentalism and heads up the group Ecosense Environmental in Vancouver, Canada.

Moore’s comments come after President Obama declared global warming a “fact” in the State of the Union. His administration has attempted to argue that the recent U.S. cold snap was influenced by a warmer planet.

Climate scientists, however, have been struggling to explain why global surface temperatures have not risen in the last 17 years and why atmospheric temperatures have been flat for the last decade.

“From 1910 to 1940 there was an increase in global average temperature of [0.5 degrees Celsius] over that 30-year period,” Moore said. “Then there was a 30-year ‘pause’ until 1970. This was followed by an increase of [0.57 degrees Celsius] during the 30-year period from 1970 to 2000. Since then there has been no increase, perhaps a slight decrease, in average global temperature.”

“This in itself tends to negate the validity of the computer models, as CO2 emissions have continued to accelerate during this time,” the former environmental activist added. “The increase in temperature between 1910-1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970-2000.”



“Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910-1940 to ‘human influence.’” Moore continued. “They are clear in their belief that human emissions impact only the increase ‘since the mid-20th century.’ Why does the IPCC believe that a virtually identical increase in temperature after 1950 is caused mainly by ‘human influence,’ when it has no explanation for the nearly identical increase from 1910-1940?”

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Old 02-27-2014, 01:32 PM   #2
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:36 PM   #3
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He's no longer with GReenpeace, and while a scientist, he has a degree in ecology, not anything directly related to climate change.

His opinion is not worthless, but neither he nor any other single person really has THE answer to the issue. Hundreds if not thousands of scientists are studying this issue around the world. The opinions of each of them matter more than this fellow.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:51 PM   #4
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He's no longer with GReenpeace, and while a scientist, he has a degree in ecology, not anything directly related to climate change.

His opinion is not worthless, but neither he nor any other single person really has THE answer to the issue. Hundreds if not thousands of scientists are studying this issue around the world. The opinions of each of them matter more than this fellow.


Well the issue is solved. John Kerry reiterated that today.

Secretary of State John Kerry doubled down Wednesday on his comments calling climate change a major national security threat.

Kerry has come under fire from conservatives after calling global warming one of the “most fearsome” weapons of mass destruction threatening to destroy the planet during a speech in Indonesia earlier this month. He reiterated that belief in an interview with MSNBC on Wednesday.

“What I said about climate change is that it’s one of the … two or three weapons, or instruments, of mass destruction, which it is. It’s having a profound impact on a global basis, and will continue to,” Kerry said.

Kerry championed the fight against climate change as a senator and has continued to make it a top priority as America’s top diplomat. He oversaw the signing of an agreement with China on cutting emissions. The Asian power is the world’s biggest greenhouse gas emitter.
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Someone posted this yesterday. Someone (I think Fish?) really took it apart.

Didn't read it or that thread. I will say this -- the quote below is stunningly stupid. Regardless of where/how humans evolved, the fact is that some amazingly high percentage of the human population worldwide lives along the coast of the various oceans. If the ocean levels rise, then it's basically a major, MAJOR problem, regardless of the reason WHY.

Nobody is saying that a couple degrees of temperature will kill us as species because our bodies can't handle the heat. JFC...


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Didn't read it or that thread. I will say this -- the quote below is stunningly stupid. Regardless of where/how humans evolved, the fact is that some amazingly high percentage of the human population worldwide lives along the coast of the various oceans. If the ocean levels rise, then it's basically a major, MAJOR problem, regardless of the reason WHY.

Nobody is saying that a couple degrees of temperature will kill us as species because our bodies can't handle the heat. JFC...


Some species will die if we don't get this under control. And we will see a rise in disease. And more Cancer too
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Didn't read it or that thread. I will say this -- the quote below is stunningly stupid. Regardless of where/how humans evolved, the fact is that some amazingly high percentage of the human population worldwide lives along the coast of the various oceans. If the ocean levels rise, then it's basically a major, MAJOR problem, regardless of the reason WHY.

Nobody is saying that a couple degrees of temperature will kill us as species because our bodies can't handle the heat. JFC...
Its buried within some other thread somewhere.

Yes it is stunningly stupid. Two little degrees obviously makes a big difference to ice, weather patterns, and many species of plants and animals. I think Livesteam posted it yesterday, so that's really a surprise.
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Its buried within some other thread somewhere.

Yes it is stunningly stupid. Two little degrees obviously makes a big difference to ice, weather patterns, and many species of plants and animals. I think Livesteam posted it yesterday, so that's really a surprise.

poles will melt, imagine the devastation to coastlines. This cannot be allowed to happen
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Cats and dogs living together...

As if this is the warmest the globe has ever been in 4 billion+ years and as if life on this planet will never survive the catastrophe of severe weather events, melting ice, changing shorelines, and changes in migration patterns.

Of course the planet is warming. Been warming up for about 15,000 years. Good thing too. Try growing corn on an ice sheet some time. See how that fackin' works.

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Someone posted this yesterday. Someone (I think Fish?) really took it apart.
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Conservative rags and blogs are having a field day with this. You can bet that Tucker Carlson & Neil Patel are loving them some Patrick Moore right now. Well here's an accurate portrait highlighting the real story behind Patrick Moore:

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'GREENPEACE FOUNDER SUPPORTS BIOTECHNOLOGY' ran the headline on the AgBioworld press release about Patrick Moore's support for AgBioWorld's 'Declaration in Support of Agricultural Biotechnology'.

Although the headline proclaimed Moore to be Greenpeace's 'founder', it's opening sentence changed his background to 'ecologist and co-founder of Greenpeace'. A paragraph later Moore's status was reduced yet further to ' a founding member of Greenpeace'.

The press release went on to say that despite many years of involvement with the organisation, 'Recently... he broke with Greenpeace, accusing it of abandoning science and following agendas that have little to do with saving the Earth.'

The biotech industry flew Patrick Moore to appear as one of its expert witnesses in front of the Royal Commission on Genetic Modification in New Zealand. His only 'expertise', however, was his connection with Greenpeace.
Press articles have also portrayed Moore and his support for GM in terms of the recent disillusion with Greenpeace of its founder. But far from leaving Greenpeace recently, Moore quit almost two decades ago and he was never more than a founding member.

Moore has given different accounts of the reasons for his departure. He has claimed, for instance, that he quit because 'in the mid-Eighties the ultraleftists and extremists took over'. But he has contradicted this by claiming that there were no indications of such problems with the organisation when he left, 'I had no idea that after I left in 1986 they [Greenpeace] would evolve into a band of scientific illiterates who use Gestapo tactics to silence people'. In fact, according to Greenpeace's Tamara Stark, Moore's exit from the organisation was 'not necessarily by his own choice'.

After leaving Greenpeace, Moore set up a fish farm, which failed, and in 1991 set up his own environmental consultancy, Greenspirit. This attracted controversy of its own. Around the same time, he became a full-time paid director and consultant for the British Columbia Forest Alliance. The Alliance, although presented as a 'citizens group', was the brainchild of PR firm Burson-Marsteller.The Alliance has a budget of around $2m derived mostly from the forest industry and its 170 or so corporate members, and it campaigns for clear-cutting.

Moore's activities on behalf of the Alliance have been extremely controversial. He claimed, for instance, that the World Wildlife Fund in some cases supported clear-cutting, provoking a furious response from Jean-Paul Jeanrenaud, head of the forest programme of World Wide Fund for Nature International, who accused Moore of 'grossly misrepresenting' WWF's position, something WWF 'deplored'.

When asked why he opposed the campaign of concern over GM crops, Moore told New Scientist, 'I believe we are entering an era now where pagan beliefs and junk science are influencing public policy. GM foods and forestry are both good examples where policy is being influenced by arguments that have no basis in fact or logic.'

To some, Moore's pro-GM stance seems less part of a road-to-Damascus conversion away from ultra-leftism, pagan beliefs and junk science, and more part of a career trajectory over the last two decades that has been industry-symathetic, and often industry-funded.


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