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Old 02-27-2014, 01:44 PM  
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Greenpeace co-founder: No scientific evidence of man-made global warming

There is no scientific evidence that human activity is causing the planet to warm, according to Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore, who testified in front of a Senate committee on Tuesday.

Moore argued that the current argument that the burning of fossil fuels is driving global warming over the past century lacks scientific evidence. He added that the Earth is in an unusually cold period and some warming would be a good thing.

“There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” according to Moore’s prepared testimony. “Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species.”

“It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a [two degrees Celsius] rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species,” Moore said. “We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing.”

“It could be said that frost and ice are the enemies of life, except for those relatively few species that have evolved to adapt to freezing temperatures during this Pleistocene Ice Age,” he added. “It is ‘extremely likely’ that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.”

Indeed, cold weather is more likely to cause death than warm weather. RealClearScience reported that from “1999 to 2010, a total of 4,563 individuals died from heat, but 7,778 individuals died from the cold.” Only in 2006 did heat-related deaths outnumber cold deaths.

In Britain, 24,000 people are projected to die this winter because they cannot afford to pay their energy bills. Roughly 4.5 million British families are facing “fuel poverty.”

“The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” Moore said.

“When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time,” he added. “Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.”

Moore, a Canadian, helped found the environmental activist group Greenpeace in the 1970s. He left the group after they began to take on more radical positions. He has since been a critic of radical environmentalism and heads up the group Ecosense Environmental in Vancouver, Canada.

Moore’s comments come after President Obama declared global warming a “fact” in the State of the Union. His administration has attempted to argue that the recent U.S. cold snap was influenced by a warmer planet.

Climate scientists, however, have been struggling to explain why global surface temperatures have not risen in the last 17 years and why atmospheric temperatures have been flat for the last decade.

“From 1910 to 1940 there was an increase in global average temperature of [0.5 degrees Celsius] over that 30-year period,” Moore said. “Then there was a 30-year ‘pause’ until 1970. This was followed by an increase of [0.57 degrees Celsius] during the 30-year period from 1970 to 2000. Since then there has been no increase, perhaps a slight decrease, in average global temperature.”

“This in itself tends to negate the validity of the computer models, as CO2 emissions have continued to accelerate during this time,” the former environmental activist added. “The increase in temperature between 1910-1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970-2000.”



“Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910-1940 to ‘human influence.’” Moore continued. “They are clear in their belief that human emissions impact only the increase ‘since the mid-20th century.’ Why does the IPCC believe that a virtually identical increase in temperature after 1950 is caused mainly by ‘human influence,’ when it has no explanation for the nearly identical increase from 1910-1940?”

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Old 02-27-2014, 07:07 PM   #46
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Fish's link also doesn't discuss another important aspect of climate change: energy required for phase change.

It takes 1600% more energy to melt 0 degree ice to 0 degree water than it does to heat ice from -10 degrees C to 0 degrees C.

If the ice caps continue to dissipate, the energy currently soaked up in melting them is going to go into the air, and it will cause significant heating of the atmosphere.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:10 PM   #47
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Fish's link also doesn't discuss another important aspect of climate change: energy required for phase change.

It takes 1600% more energy to melt 0 degree ice to 0 degree water than it does to heat ice from -10 degrees C to 0 degrees C.

If the ice caps continue to dissipate, the energy currently soaked up in melting them is going to go into the air, and it will cause significant heating of the atmosphere.

OhLord its too late! Run for your lives get to higher ground!!!!
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:11 PM   #48
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Nice counterargument.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:15 PM   #49
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Nice counterargument.
Im on the side you are. This thing is getting more real every day and there isn't a moment to lose. The polar ice caps are melting right? I mean we have fewer polar bears and the penguin is in danger as well. Look at the USA….why we have had almost no winter for what, 3 or 4 years? Ski areas in Colorado are closing.

Something must be done and soon.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:27 PM   #50
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You need to learn the difference between weather and climate change. 5 years of data? Are you ****ing kidding me? Climate changes occur over the course of millennia. We're talking in geologic time spans and you want to talk about decades of data? This is the fallacy of the anthropogenic thesis of climate change.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:33 PM   #51
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You need to learn the difference between weather and climate change. 5 years of data? Are you ****ing kidding me? Climate changes occur over the course of millennia. We're talking in geologic time spans and you want to talk about decades of data? This is the fallacy of the anthropogenic thesis of climate change.
Did you bother watching the video? That post was referencing temperature anomalies over time. It showed anomalies from 1880 to present. The pics were pointing out 2013 as having a great deal of temperature anomaly events compared to prior averages through time.
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I say we come back to this thread in one, three, and five years from now, and see who's right.
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I say we come back to this thread in one, three, and five years from now, and see who's right.
If you do that, you'll see the same anomalies. Every year, something, somewhere is a new ______ record.
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You need to learn the difference between weather and climate change. 5 years of data? Are you ****ing kidding me? Climate changes occur over the course of millennia. We're talking in geologic time spans and you want to talk about decades of data? This is the fallacy of the anthropogenic thesis of climate change.
NOO NOOO NOOO. This is fixable with a USA Tax. You are thinking its global…..duhhhhhh
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NOO NOOO NOOO. This is fixable with a USA Tax. You are thinking its global…..duhhhhhh
You keep insisting that climate change is a US government idea when it's not. Here's an article about a study by Swiss, Australian, and Canadian scientific groups. Temp data is even from the WMO, and not the US government. No US government influence.

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Heat extremes increase despite global warming hiatus - scientists

Hot weather extremes have increased around the world in the past 15 years despite a slowdown in the overall pace of global warming, a study showed on Wednesday.

Heat extremes are among the damaging impacts of climate change as they can raise death rates, especially among the elderly, damage food crops and strain everything from water to energy supplies.

"Observational data show a continued increase of hot extremes over land during the so-called global warming hiatus," scientists in Switzerland, Australia and Canada wrote in the journal Nature Climate Change.

A Russian heatwave in 2010 killed more than 55,000 people and a 2003 European heatwave killed 66,000. Pakistan recorded a temperature of 53.5 degrees Celsius (128 Fahrenheit) in 2010, the highest in Asia since 1942.

The average pace of warming at the planet's surface has slowed from the 20th century in what scientists link to factors such as absorption of more heat by the oceans, more sun-dimming pollution or volcanic eruptions.

This hiatus has heartened those who doubt that governments need to make big, urgent investments to shift from fossil fuels towards renewable energies. Almost 200 nations have agreed to work out a deal by the end of 2015 to combat climate change.

Wednesday's report found that the area of the world's land surface with 10, 30 and 50 extreme heat days a year had risen since 1997 from a 1979-2010 average, sometimes more than doubling, with big swings from year to year. Strongest gains were in the Arctic and mid-latitudes.

It was unclear why heat extremes had continued rising despite the hiatus. One possibility was that the oceans had soaked up heat from the atmosphere and slowed overall global warming, even as the land had been exposed to extremes.

"There is no reason to expect the (trend towards more hot extremes) to stop," lead author Sonia Seneviratne, of the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science at ETH Zurich, told Reuters.

The report follows other signs of more extreme weather as greenhouse gas emissions rise to new peaks.

A World Meteorological Organization (WMO) review last year showed that 56 countries reported a hot temperature record from 2001-10, while just 14 reported a new cold record.

England had a record 38.5 C (101.3F) in 2003, while northern Ireland had a record low -11.3 C (11.7 F) in 2010.

In Geneva, Michel Jarraud, head of the WMO, told a meeting on Tuesday that 13 of the 14 warmest years on record had been since 2000. "We are not seeing what I would call a pause in global temperature increases," he said.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:29 PM   #56
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You keep insisting that climate change is a US government idea when it's not. Here's an article about a study by Swiss, Australian, and Canadian scientific groups. Temp data is even from the WMO, and not the US government. No US government influence.
Bullshit..I never said it was a US Govt Idea. Never.

US Govt came up with the idea USA can tax carbon and solve the issue..Obama and his scurvy followers. This has never been a USA issue. Its questionable if its an issue at all.

Accuse me of something real or stay the **** home.
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Bullshit..I never said it was a US Govt Idea. Never.

US Govt came up with the idea USA can tax carbon and solve the issue..Obama and his scurvy followers. This has never been a USA issue. Its questionable if its an issue at all.

Accuse me of something real or stay the **** home.
Your last post said it was fixable with a US tax and that it wasn't global.
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Your last post said it was fixable with a US tax and that it wasn't global.

Yes. According to Obama, Gore,Kerry, and 3/4 of the democrats in Washington…..and no one the **** else nitwit. Eat it, again.
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Yes. According to Obama, Gore,Kerry, and 3/4 of the democrats in Washington…..and no one the **** else nitwit. Eat it, again.
Why are you being hostile? Can't you discuss this without getting angry?
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Why are you being hostile? Can't you discuss this without getting angry?
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