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Old 03-02-2014, 12:04 PM  
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United States has a weak and indecisive president

Does anyone take this president seriously?

Graham to Obama: 'Not your strong suit'

Sen. Lindsey Graham said on Sunday that President Barack Obama needs to "stop going on television and trying to threaten thugs and dictators."

"It is not your strong suit. Every time the president goes on national television and threatens Putin or anyone like Putin, everyone’s eyes roll, including mine," the South Carolina Republican said on CNN's "State of the Union."

Addressing the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Graham said the United States has a "weak and indecisive president that invited aggression."

"President Obama needs to do something," Graham said. "How about this: Suspend Russian membership in the G8 and the G20 at least for a year, starting right now and every day they stay in Crimea after the suspension. Do something.”

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Old 03-02-2014, 03:04 PM   #16
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What do you think about my plan? Don't attack the problem militarily or even diplomatically (useless). Attack it at the root. Go after the Russian oligarchs' (who can be proven to have business ties to Putin) international finances. Seize their yachts and sports teams and villas. Not much point being a Russian billionaire if you are forced spending it all in shit ass Russia.
Thats the real problem. There is no Russia, only Putin and his cronies.
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Old 03-02-2014, 03:20 PM   #17
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Fairplay, how can you take this stand when you are against the NWO? This is just part of that globalism. Graham is one of the worst globalist NeoCons. He's a rabid war monger. I can't rely on him for FP.
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Old 03-02-2014, 03:20 PM   #18
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What do you think about my plan? Don't attack the problem militarily or even diplomatically (useless). Attack it at the root. Go after the Russian oligarchs' (who can be proven to have business ties to Putin) international finances. Seize their yachts and sports teams and villas. Not much point being a Russian billionaire if you are forced spending it all in shit ass Russia.
I know you're not asking me, but this won't stop them and could still incite them even more.
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:05 PM   #19
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I know you're not asking me, but this won't stop them and could still incite them even more.
He is under some bizarre belief that actions don't have consequences, and that Russia can't retaliate in kind or hold Europe hostage over energy. Weird dude.
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:15 PM   #20
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Thats the real problem. There is no Russia, only Putin and his cronies.
Exactly. Put the screws to his cronies (financially) and all of a sudden Putin has even more pressure mounting back home that he has to deal with.
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:15 PM   #21
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:15 PM   #22
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He is under some bizarre belief that actions don't have consequences, and that Russia can't retaliate in kind or hold Europe hostage over energy. Weird dude.
To whom does Russia sell most of its energy?
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:22 PM   #23
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He is under some bizarre belief that actions don't have consequences, and that Russia can't retaliate in kind or hold Europe hostage over energy. Weird dude.
You are under some bizarre delusions about Russia and it's economy/politics/society. You have proven yourself to be woefully ignorant and misinformed on the subject. Of course Russia will attempt to retaliate... please tell me EXACTLY how they would do so?

The billionaires who are getting screwed will decide to not sell energy to the West? Oh really? So they'll just take a MASSIVE loss for the sake of pride? Ideology? Or do you somehow think they can magically find other buyers? Russia needs Europe FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more than Europe needs them. You seem to be under some insane impression that if Russia stops sending coal and gas to the EU they have NO other sources. There are plenty of available sources just not as cheap. The EU would pay higher energy costs and suffer while Russia would effectively collapse. If you think otherwise you are even more ignorant of the situation than I thought.
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:25 PM   #24
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To whom does Russia sell most of its energy?
From what I can gather, to its own people (50%). Europe gets about 30%.
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:28 PM   #25
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Exactly. Put the screws to his cronies (financially) and all of a sudden Putin has even more pressure mounting back home that he has to deal with.
Nonsense. Pure nonsense.
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NeoCon nonsense....at war with the world-Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia, China and on and on for the perpetual war which they actually believe in.
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Nonsense. Pure nonsense.
This from the guy who thinks the Federation Council of Russia represents the will of the people.

You simply don't have a clue about Russia, which is fine in and of itself, it's not fine for you to act as if you do when spouting your nonsense opinions.
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From what I can gather, to its own people (50%). Europe gets about 30%.
Sorry, I meant as an exporter.
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Well if our president is weak then most of the American people must be too. The isolationist trend, for lack of a better word, has grown since 2003. You will need the backing of the American people if we do more than we should.

"Some on our side are so stuck in the Cold War era that they want to tweak Russia all the time, and I don't think that is a good idea." - Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.)
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Sorry, I meant as an exporter.
Not sure. I think 35% of European energy comes from Russia.
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