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Old 03-02-2014, 12:04 PM  
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United States has a weak and indecisive president

Does anyone take this president seriously?

Graham to Obama: 'Not your strong suit'

Sen. Lindsey Graham said on Sunday that President Barack Obama needs to "stop going on television and trying to threaten thugs and dictators."

"It is not your strong suit. Every time the president goes on national television and threatens Putin or anyone like Putin, everyone’s eyes roll, including mine," the South Carolina Republican said on CNN's "State of the Union."

Addressing the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Graham said the United States has a "weak and indecisive president that invited aggression."

"President Obama needs to do something," Graham said. "How about this: Suspend Russian membership in the G8 and the G20 at least for a year, starting right now and every day they stay in Crimea after the suspension. Do something.”

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Old 03-02-2014, 08:17 PM   #46
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Oooh...that'll teach Putin!
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Face it--short of dropping bombs (which they would complain were unconstitutional and without Congressional approval), the right-wingers are going to say that ANY response is weak and shows Obama is a pussy.
You might be right, so let's keep up the empty verbal vitriol... That's always useful. And hey, kick Israel in the teeth again, that'll help A LOT...

You and Obama, the men with the plan...
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:20 PM   #47
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All Obama has to do is don a gargantuan codpiece and talk tough wearing it...and the right will be smitten with him.
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:27 PM   #48
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:29 PM   #49
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All Obama has to do is don a gargantuan codpiece and talk tough wearing it...and the right will be smitten with him.
Well if they don't mind it ringing like a bell with all the extra space... His "wiggle, wiggle, wiggle" will ring out like a call to church from his days taking direction from Jeremiah Wright.. "Ding-dong, ding-dong"!
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:31 PM   #50
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If Obama had a son! (He'd be a pussy, ass-licker, jabber-jaw, ****er too!)
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:23 AM   #51
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If Obama had a son! (He'd be a pussy, ass-licker, jabber-jaw, ****er too!)
So are the sons of Bill Kristol, Lindsey Graham and John McCain in that picture.
Donger, and a few others, hope for sons like the ones in that picture. Especially Donger cause those are Brits.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:39 AM   #52
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Oooh...that'll teach Putin!
/RWNJs

Face it--short of dropping bombs (which they would complain were unconstitutional and without Congressional approval), the right-wingers are going to say that ANY response is weak and shows Obama is a pussy.
Well, he is a pussy.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:43 AM   #53
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Well, he is a pussy.
Well, you sure make a convincing argument.
By that, I mean you've given as good an argument as everyone else. Congrats.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:44 AM   #54
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Fairplay, how can you take this stand when you are against the NWO? This is just part of that globalism. Graham is one of the worst globalist NeoCons. He's a rabid war monger. I can't rely on him for FP.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:45 AM   #55
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All Obama has to do is don a gargantuan codpiece and talk tough wearing it...and the right will be smitten with him.
Again, regardless of your view, if you talk tough... be tough. If you're not tough, you look indecisive and we can no longer play the "oh, he's just trying to be diplomatic card." Obama looks like the parent who quietly pleads with his kid to stop running and screaming in Walmart, but the kid disobeys, and the parent stands back and does nothing.

If you want to be isolationist, be stern about it.

Regardless of your view, the worst thing you can do is provide empty rhetoric. It makes America look weak and indecisive. It would have been better if Obama didn't say anything at all than to say something and weakly do nothing to act on it.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:38 AM   #56
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Well, you sure make a convincing argument.
By that, I mean you've given as good an argument as everyone else. Congrats.
Why don't you make an argument to the contrary? Other that he's managed to silver-tongue his way into 8 years as the "leader" of the free world, I'm not sure he's done anything.

But do tell, tell us how awesome he is... Obamacare? Uniting a country?
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:52 AM   #57
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If you want to be isolationist, be stern about it.
I am not an isolationist in the real meaning of the word. I am a non-interventionist. There is a difference. I am for dialogue, trade and cultural exchanges with other countries--NOT for being like 19th century Japan.

But neither requires being stern about it...unless that sterness is directed to meddlers in our own govt and country. I am doing that so I don't need a moral lecture from you.

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Regardless of your view, the worst thing you can do is provide empty rhetoric. It makes America look weak and indecisive. It would have been better if Obama didn't say anything at all than to say something and weakly do nothing to act on it.
No, we should not be calling Red Lines where we have to eat our words later.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:54 AM   #58
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I am not an isolationist in the real meaning of the word. I am a non-interventionist. There is a difference. I am for dialogue, trade and cultural exchanges with other countries--NOT for being like 19th century Japan.

But neither requires being stern about it...unless that sterness is directed to meddlers in our own govt and country. I am doing that so I don't need a moral lecture from you.



No, we should not be calling Red Lines where we have to eat our words later.
And what if another power interferes with and threatens that trade? Would you support the use of military force to protect said trade?
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Well, he is a pussy.
...who bombed Libya, uses drones including on Americans without due process when we've not even declared war. Don't underestimate commie-leaning ideologues--they can be quite un-pussylike. In fact down right ruthless. It's just who they use such tactics on that is the difference.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:13 PM   #60
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Again, regardless of your view, if you talk tough... be tough. If you're not tough, you look indecisive and we can no longer play the "oh, he's just trying to be diplomatic card." Obama looks like the parent who quietly pleads with his kid to stop running and screaming in Walmart, but the kid disobeys, and the parent stands back and does nothing.

If you want to be isolationist, be stern about it.

Regardless of your view, the worst thing you can do is provide empty rhetoric. It makes America look weak and indecisive. It would have been better if Obama didn't say anything at all than to say something and weakly do nothing to act on it.
The history does not support, at all, your assertion that Obama provides empty rhetoric, assuming you are willing to accept anything less than bombing russia. If Russia proceeds to a full-blown invasion and takes over Ukraine or something like that, it will probably lead to widespread crippling economic sanctions and export controls against russia.

You apparently are complaining that the USA hasn't reacted with sanctions and punishments instantaneously, which is absurd. Nor does Obama's words on the matter require it to avoid looking "weak".

If NATO behind closed doors spells out the economic consequences and convinces Putin that this is a mistake and ultimately not worth it, they still have to give him a way to save face and avoid looking like he caved in to the west even if thats exactly what happens. A negotiated resolution where UN forces agree to "protect" the Russian people in Crimea which was the pretext of all this, Russia continues to operate in the ports they have been using for years, and the russian forces withdraw, would a pretty good outcome.

An angry public war of words and instant sanctions would make this sort of outcome impossible, and if you somehow think Obama's measured statements to this point require that action to avoid looking weak, I'd argue that basically saying nothing at all (which I guess is what you think he should do if this diplomatic out that I laid out is the plan), would also look absurd. He'd be hounded by the world press and his refusal to comment would become a story.
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