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Old 03-02-2014, 04:19 PM  
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U.S. pushing Israel to stop assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-pushi...ar-scientists/

WASHINGTON -- As Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flies to Washington - due to arrive on Sunday (March 2), to prepare for talks with President Barack Obama at the White House on Monday - it's clear that there are several points of friction between Israel and the United States.

The two countries are allies, but their leaders often differ on the details of key issues: Israel's peace talks with the Palestinians, America's nuclear talks with Iran, how to approach political turmoil in Egypt, what might be done to limit Syria's horrible civil war, and a broader issue of whether the Middle East sees President Obama as a powerful, influential leader.

Recently, as I sought to update a book I co-wrote about the history of Israel's intelligence agencies, sources close to them revealed that they felt pressure from the Obama Administration - more than a hint - to stop carrying out assassinations inside Iran.

Although Israel has never acknowledged it, the country's famed espionage agency - the Mossad - ran an assassination campaign for several years aimed at Iran's top nuclear scientists. The purpose was to slow the progress made by Iran, which Israel feels certain is aimed at developing nuclear weapons; and to deter trained and educated Iranians from joining their country's nuclear program.

At least five Iranian scientists were murdered, most of them by bombs planted on their cars as they drove to work in the morning. Remarkably, the Israeli assassins were never caught - obviously having long-established safe houses inside Iran - although several Iranians who may have helped the Mossad were arrested and executed.

In addition to strong signals from the Obama Administration that the U.S. did not want Israel to continue the assassinations, Mossad officials concluded that the campaign had gotten too dangerous. They did not want their best combatants - Israel's term for its most talented and experienced spies - captured and hanged.

President Obama - much to the discomfort of Israeli officials - is pursuing negotiations with Iran. The United States is one of the P5+1 nations, continuing to talk with the Iranians about rolling back some of their nuclear potential.

Sources told us that Netanyahu has now ordered the Mossad to focus on hunting - inside Iran and elsewhere - for evidence that the Iranians are cheating on the commitments they made in their interim agreement with the P5+1 last November.

Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Obama will also discuss progress - said by all concerned to be limited, but not non-existent - in Israel's talks with the Palestinian Authority which began last year. Secretary of State John Kerry has had many frustrations in his chosen role as mediator: not least, the harsh criticism of Kerry voiced by some members of Netanyahu's coalition government who distrust the peace process and feel that giving up any of the West Bank would be needlessly dangerous for Israel.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:38 PM   #46
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Considering, just about every computer expert that has looked at Stuxnet is pretty sure it came from the US, I think it's safe to say we wrote it.

Also, considering we've had drone in Iranian airspace, I would wager that it's probably a safe bet we were involved in the assassinations too.
Like I said, you don't know.

You think that our drones were involved in killing these scientists? Or are you just saying that we just have them under surveillance?
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:42 PM   #47
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Like I said, you don't know.

You think that our drones were involved in killing these scientists? Or are you just saying that we just have them under surveillance?
Not engaging with the clueless act today. Have fun playing with BEP.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:44 PM   #48
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Not engaging with the clueless act today. Have fun playing with BEP.
No, I'm serious. I agree 100% that we've got them under surveillance. I just don't see how or why you make the leap from that "fact" to feet-on-the-ground assassins.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:45 PM   #49
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No, I'm serious. I agree 100% that we've got them under surveillance. I just don't see how or why you make the leap from that "fact" to feet-on-the-ground assassins.
A collaborative operation doesn't require our boots to be on the ground.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:45 PM   #50
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God, I still can't believe the Iranians managed to hack our drone. What a **** up.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:46 PM   #51
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A collaborative operation doesn't require our boots to be on the ground.
Oh, okay. You don't think that our boys were actually pressing the happy button. Gotcha.

I agree.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:51 PM   #52
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God, I still can't believe the Iranians managed to hack our drone. What a **** up.
They didn't.
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God, I still can't believe the Iranians managed to hack our drone. What a **** up.
Probably our most advanced model, at that.
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They didn't.
What do you think happened?
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Old 03-02-2014, 06:08 PM   #55
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I'm reaching way back to the '08 campaign I believe, but one time when the inspections were going on or whatever, BEP was in here claiming that Iran did not have a nuclear program. Iran themselves were claiming that they did have one and that it was for peaceful purposes only, but she wasn't convinced. It was all neocon warmongering and such. It's good to see that in the last 6 or so years she's come around on that point.

Now at least we're up to where Obama was in 2008, that Iran is a tiny country that doesn't pose a serious threat.
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What do you think happened?
Probably just crashed. They can't even make a convincing Youtube video.
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Probably just crashed. They can't even make a convincing Youtube video.


I forgot about that video.
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What do you think happened?
Buggy flight control firmware resulted in a flat spin.
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I'm reaching way back to the '08 campaign I believe, but one time when the inspections were going on or whatever, BEP was in here claiming that Iran did not have a nuclear program. Iran themselves were claiming that they did have one and that it was for peaceful purposes only, but she wasn't convinced. It was all neocon warmongering and such. It's good to see that in the last 6 or so years she's come around on that point.

Now at least we're up to where Obama was in 2008, that Iran is a tiny country that doesn't pose a serious threat.
I don't recall her ever denying that Iran has a nuclear program, but she is quite insistent that there is no evidence that they have the goal of a physics package. She also denies that they are in violation of NPT safeguards, which is funny and sad at the same time.
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I don't recall her ever denying that Iran has a nuclear program, but she is quite insistent that there is no evidence that they have the goal of a physics package. She also denies that they are in violation of NPT safeguards, which is funny and sad at the same time.
Given the level of enrichment, isn't it correct to say that they've gone well beyond what is needed for any peaceful purpose, and there's no point to what they have done so far except to get most of the way to weapons grade?
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