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Old 03-03-2014, 02:07 PM  
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Team Obama wins fight to have Christian home-school family deported

Team Obama wins fight to have Christian home-school family deported
By Todd Starnes | March 03, 2014 | FoxNews.com


Uwe and Hannelore Romeike came to the United States in 2008 seeking political asylum. They fled their German homeland in the face of religious persecution for homeschooling their children.

They wanted to live in a country where they could raise their children in accordance with their Christian beliefs.

The Romeikes were initially given asylum, but the Obama administration objected – claiming that German laws that outlaw homeschooling do not constitute persecution.

“The goal in Germany is for an open, pluralistic society,” the Justice Department wrote in a legal brief last year. “Teaching tolerance to children of all backgrounds helps to develop the ability to interact as a fully functioning citizen in Germany.”

On Monday, the Supreme Court declined to hear the Romeike’s appeal – paving the way for the Christian family of eight to be deported.

“I think this is a part of the Obama administration’s overall campaign to crush religious freedom in this country,” said Michael Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association. His organization is representing family.

“The Obama administration’s attitude toward religious freedom, particularly religious freedom for Christians is shocking,” he told me in an exclusive telephone interview. “I have little doubt that if this family had been of some other faith that the decision would have never been appealed in the first place. They would have let this family stay.”

Had the family stayed in Germany, where homeschooling is illegal, they would have faced the prospect of losing their children. Like the Pilgrims, they fled their homeland yearning for a place where they could be free.

Farris said the religious bias perpetrated by the Obama administration is “palpable.”

“It’s a denial of the essence of America,” he said. “The Pilgrims left England to go to Holland to seek religious freedom. They came here to seek religious freedom and parental rights for their children. Had this administration been waiting at Plymouth Rock, they would’ve told the Pilgrims to go back home.”

There are nearly 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. You’d think the Obama administration could find a place eight immigrants who want to live here legally.

Farris said the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear the case sends a chilling message to Americans who currently home school their children.

“This administration thinks it’s a privilege to home school – not a right,” he told me. “We’d better buckle down and be ready to fight them every step of the way.”

As for now, the Romeike family will be able to stay at their four-acre farm in the eastern Tennessee. But it’s only a matter of time before the Obama administration begins formal deportation proceedings.

Last year, I interviewed 15-year-old Daniel Romeike, a soft-spoken boy with aspirations of one day becoming a mechanical engineer. He told me he was afraid of what might happen if the family was deported. He feared being taken from his parents and placed in government custody.

“If I had a chance to talk to President Obama, I would ask him to let us stay in this great country of freedom and opportunity,” Daniel told me.

So on behalf of the Romeike family, I would like personally appeal to President Obama.

Please, Mr. President, have mercy on this Christian family. They came to our shores longing to be free. They left their homeland to escape religious persecution. Please, sir. Welcome them to our land with open arms. Bestow upon them a small measure of grace so they might be able to raise their children in the land of the free, the home of the brave.

Please spare these dear souls.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:29 AM   #136
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Not only that, but if their home country doesn't give them to them, then they should be allowed to move here so they can get them!!


No seriously, this whole thread makes no sense.
It does when you know that the German govt already took their kids away in a van over there. Don't know how they got them back but right there is persecution.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:38 AM   #137
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I overstated that. Ignore it. Limit it to just homeschooling. There is no fundamental human right to homeschooling.
There is to having your kids taking away due to your religious practices such as homeschooling. I don't expect a Boston Strong-Masshole to see that though. You love the state up there. It can do no wrong in your eyes. So glad I left that place.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:01 AM   #138
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There is to having your kids taking away due to your religious practices such as homeschooling. I don't expect a Boston Strong-Masshole to see that though. You love the state up there. It can do no wrong in your eyes. So glad I left that place.

It's really quite amazing that you have turned a rallying cry for overcoming an act of terrorism that destroyed so many lives into an insult.

Not that I have ever used that phrase in my life, mind you, but still, your brain works in very weird ways.

The state can do plenty wrong. I posted very recently that our immigration policies regarding being able to bring in highly skilled workers are completely stupid. In fact, I've posted many things wrong with how government operates over the years.

Of course, when one views everythign government does as wrong. When one in fact believes that our entire system of government is wrong and we should actually be operating under the Articles of Confederation, then one's views are just a little bit off.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:27 AM   #139
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They can send them to a private school and teach them what they want at home. Problem solved. Or they could have immigrated here or some other country by the normal process. Problem solved again. I guess the tyranny of being forced to drive well made cars was just too much to overcome.
The private schools in Germany are no different on this point, so that solves nothing. The normal process is an option, yes, but (1) they meet the asylum criteria and have since 2008? and (2) we have defacto illegals crossing the borders everyday that Obama and Holder refuse to do anything about and in fact, actively allow to come in, but this family is singled out?

Libtards want to take the stance that "no one would care if they weren't Christian" and they are right, but as is typical, for all the wrong reasons - it is obvious the only reason this family has been singled out is because they are Christians seeking religious asylum. If they weren't Christians, Obama's drones wouldn't bother with trying to remove the family; in fact, they would probably parade them around on TV and on their campaign trails, like they do with the illegals from down south.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:40 AM   #140
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I don't understand why this is an issue.

People get confused between the difference between a Privilege and a Right.

It's just like driving.

Some people think it's their right to be able to drive. No....it's just a privilege.....
What the blue hell does that have to do with homeschooling in germany? Where does does privilege vs right enter this?

One has to pass a qualifying test and then obtain both a car and insurance to drive.

The 'privilege' vs. 'right' thing has never been explained to me. What would make driving a 'right' as opposed to a 'privilege'. DO NOT SAY that it can be taken away, because we don't let felons buy guns and that's a 'right' isn't it?

In all seriousness, someone explain this concept to me. It sounds like meaningless rhetoric since most 'rights' of ours can be taken away. I'm not saying I'm okay with that FWIW, I'm saying that's how it is.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:01 AM   #141
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The private schools in Germany are no different on this point, so that solves nothing. The normal process is an option, yes, but (1) they meet the asylum criteria and have since 2008? and (2) we have defacto illegals crossing the borders everyday that Obama and Holder refuse to do anything about and in fact, actively allow to come in, but this family is singled out?

Libtards want to take the stance that "no one would care if they weren't Christian" and they are right, but as is typical, for all the wrong reasons - it is obvious the only reason this family has been singled out is because they are Christians seeking religious asylum. If they weren't Christians, Obama's drones wouldn't bother with trying to remove the family; in fact, they would probably parade them around on TV and on their campaign trails, like they do with the illegals from down south.
They obviously don't meet the asylum criteria. The other illegal immigrants are irrelevant to this, but, are you telling me that no illegal immigrants have been deported in the last six years? That is shocking!
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:03 AM   #142
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Fairly dense.. are you Cosmo's offspring? Asexual offspring, of course...

If you bothered to learn and acknowledge anything about the situation, you would know that the Germans continue to enforce the "no home schooling" law today only to indoctrinate and one of the pillars they want to indoctrinate is an anti-religion - particularly Christian - viewpoint. So the moment you say this is over 'home schooling' you're either admitting ignorance of the issue, a liar, or an idiot - pick one, two or hell - all three!
Dipshit, they can go to a private Christian school in Germany.
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They obviously don't meet the asylum criteria. The other illegal immigrants are irrelevant to this, but, are you telling me that no illegal immigrants have been deported in the last six years? That is shocking!
Then you're just incapable of understanding what that criteria is. "Other illegals irrelevant?!" Naturally, when it destroys your stance... Are you honestly going to deny that illegals have been released, even from prison? That Holder et al are purposefully not pursuing or otherwise interfering with measures to identify and remove illegals? That would be a cosmo level of denial there!

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Dipshit, they can go to a private Christian school in Germany.
Dumbass, did you bother to check into those 'Christian' schools in Germany? Pull your head out of your ass before speaking.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:16 PM   #144
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They obviously don't meet the asylum criteria.
If it were obvious, there wouldn't be so much disagreement and contention--let alone a case. So it is NOT obvious.
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If it were obvious, there wouldn't be so much disagreement and contention--let alone a case. So it is NOT obvious.

In the public, yes, but legally, not so much. The Board of Immigraiton Appeals found against them, and then a three judge panel of the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously found against them as well. And at the SCOTUS level, they couldn't get four justices to think the case was worthy of review.

The Sixth Circuit's decision is very well written and very well reasoned. Here are the two key parts:


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Congress might have written the immigration laws to grant a safe haven to people living elsewhere in the world who face government strictures that the United States Constitution prohibits. But it did not. The relevant legislation applies only to those who have a “well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(42)(A). There is a difference between the persecution of a discrete group and the prosecution of those who violate a generally applicable law. As the Board of Immigration Appeals permissibly found, the German authorities have not singled out the Romeikes in particular or homeschoolers in general for persecution.

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The question is not whether Germany’s policy violates the American Constitution, whether it violates the parameters of an international treaty or whether Germany’s law is a good idea. It is whether the Romeikes have established the prerequisites of an asylum claim—a well-founded fear of persecution on account of a protected ground. See INS v. Elias-Zacarias, 502 U.S. 478, 483 (1992) (explaining that, even if the petitioner could prove he held a particular political opinion, he must alsoshow that he would be persecuted “because of [his] political opinion” rather thanNo. 12-3641 Romeike v. Holder Page 10 because he defied the guerilla army’s general conscription policy); Chen Zhou Chai v. Carroll, 48 F.3d 1331, 1342 (4th Cir. 1995) (“Even if the applicant can characterize his failure to comply with the population control policy as a political opinion, the applicant must still demonstrate that the government’s actions or threats against the applicant, even to the extent those actions or threats involve forced abortions or sterilizations, were taken for a reason other than to enforce the population control policy.”). The Romeikes have not met this burden. The German law does not on its face single out any protected group, and the Romeikes have not provided sufficient evidence to show that the law’s application turns on prohibited classifications or animus based on any prohibited ground.
http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions...3a0137p-06.pdf
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If it were obvious, there wouldn't be so much disagreement and contention--let alone a case. So it is NOT obvious.
Yes, obvious. See post above.
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Then you're just incapable of understanding what that criteria is. "Other illegals irrelevant?!" Naturally, when it destroys your stance... Are you honestly going to deny that illegals have been released, even from prison? That Holder et al are purposefully not pursuing or otherwise interfering with measures to identify and remove illegals? That would be a cosmo level of denial there!

Dumbass, did you bother to check into those 'Christian' schools in Germany? Pull your head out of your ass before speaking.
So, I am confused. Have any illegals been deported in the last six years or not? You said nothing was being done about it so one would assume that no they have not been deported.

It is irrelevant because illegals are coming here illegally. But in your opinion that means other people can also come and not be subject to the law as well. "They are doing it, so we can as well!"
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DHS allows German home-schooling family to stay in US

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-asylum-in-us/
WoW! Of all govt departments and under this administration, that is wonderful news!
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