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Old 03-03-2014, 03:07 PM  
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Team Obama wins fight to have Christian home-school family deported

Team Obama wins fight to have Christian home-school family deported
By Todd Starnes | March 03, 2014 | FoxNews.com


Uwe and Hannelore Romeike came to the United States in 2008 seeking political asylum. They fled their German homeland in the face of religious persecution for homeschooling their children.

They wanted to live in a country where they could raise their children in accordance with their Christian beliefs.

The Romeikes were initially given asylum, but the Obama administration objected – claiming that German laws that outlaw homeschooling do not constitute persecution.

“The goal in Germany is for an open, pluralistic society,” the Justice Department wrote in a legal brief last year. “Teaching tolerance to children of all backgrounds helps to develop the ability to interact as a fully functioning citizen in Germany.”

On Monday, the Supreme Court declined to hear the Romeike’s appeal – paving the way for the Christian family of eight to be deported.

“I think this is a part of the Obama administration’s overall campaign to crush religious freedom in this country,” said Michael Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association. His organization is representing family.

“The Obama administration’s attitude toward religious freedom, particularly religious freedom for Christians is shocking,” he told me in an exclusive telephone interview. “I have little doubt that if this family had been of some other faith that the decision would have never been appealed in the first place. They would have let this family stay.”

Had the family stayed in Germany, where homeschooling is illegal, they would have faced the prospect of losing their children. Like the Pilgrims, they fled their homeland yearning for a place where they could be free.

Farris said the religious bias perpetrated by the Obama administration is “palpable.”

“It’s a denial of the essence of America,” he said. “The Pilgrims left England to go to Holland to seek religious freedom. They came here to seek religious freedom and parental rights for their children. Had this administration been waiting at Plymouth Rock, they would’ve told the Pilgrims to go back home.”

There are nearly 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. You’d think the Obama administration could find a place eight immigrants who want to live here legally.

Farris said the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear the case sends a chilling message to Americans who currently home school their children.

“This administration thinks it’s a privilege to home school – not a right,” he told me. “We’d better buckle down and be ready to fight them every step of the way.”

As for now, the Romeike family will be able to stay at their four-acre farm in the eastern Tennessee. But it’s only a matter of time before the Obama administration begins formal deportation proceedings.

Last year, I interviewed 15-year-old Daniel Romeike, a soft-spoken boy with aspirations of one day becoming a mechanical engineer. He told me he was afraid of what might happen if the family was deported. He feared being taken from his parents and placed in government custody.

“If I had a chance to talk to President Obama, I would ask him to let us stay in this great country of freedom and opportunity,” Daniel told me.

So on behalf of the Romeike family, I would like personally appeal to President Obama.

Please, Mr. President, have mercy on this Christian family. They came to our shores longing to be free. They left their homeland to escape religious persecution. Please, sir. Welcome them to our land with open arms. Bestow upon them a small measure of grace so they might be able to raise their children in the land of the free, the home of the brave.

Please spare these dear souls.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:30 PM   #76
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Fwiw, I don't think the this is asylum worthy but the argument above is mighty similar to those that argue gay men are not being discriminated against because they can marry a woman just like all the other guys.
Marriage does not fall under Federal law in this country. And marriage is not treated as a right in any of the states. Otherwise, no one would need a license to marry. That, in effect, is needing permission to marry.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:31 PM   #77
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Progressives, socialists, fascists and commies think it's not a natural right to raise one's children. They are property of the state. See why they says such things. They are of the state, for the state and live by it. They are anti-liberty statists.

There are more than a few SC cases where educating one's child is the domain of the parent.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:32 PM   #78
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Something tells me there's more to this story. That something is probably that it's reported with an obvious slant by FOX News, and with only one side of the issue reported.

Just a hunch.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:34 PM   #79
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Possibly. Perhaps, someone in the Obama admin got to Roberts again. They did on Obamacare.
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Possibly. Perhaps, someone in the Obama admin got to Roberts again. They did on Obamacare.
What does that mean, "got to Roberts?"

Threatened to kill him? Be specific about what you are asserting.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:39 PM   #81
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Supreme Court's Parental Rights Doctrine

The Supreme Court Until 2000

Historically, our nation consistently maintained that parents possess a fundamental right to raise their children as they see fit.

This belief was upheld by our judiciary in numerous Supreme Court cases that reflect the American people's longstanding commitment to parental rights. The excerpts below are drawn from key Supreme Court cases protecting the right of parents to raise their children. It is critical that we place this traditional Supreme Court doctrine on parental rights into the explicit text of the United States Constitution in order to preserve the vital child-parent relationship. The principles below are referred to as the Parental Rights Doctrine.

Case index:
Meyer v. State of Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390 (1923)
Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925)
Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)
Ginsberg v. New York, 390 U.S. 629 (1968)
Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972)
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632 (1974)
Moore v. East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494 (1977)
Smith v. Organization of Foster Families, 431 U.S. 816 (1977)
Quilloin v. Walcott, 434 U.S. 246 (1978)
Parham v. J. R., 442 U.S. 584 (1979)
Santosky v. Kramer, 455 U.S. 745 (1982)
Reno v. Flores, 507 U.S. 292 (1993)
Washington v. Glucksburg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)
Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000)

http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={12D52BF9-1D6D-4EEC-B83B-F74B3F91BDF6}&DE=
Each case specifics are in the link.
Since year 2000, seems to uphold it but the progs on the court are being sly.


Here's a few case specifics:


The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the State to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the State; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations.
- Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925)
It is cardinal with us that the custody, care and nurture of the child reside first in the parents, whose primary function and freedom include preparation for obligations the state can neither supply nor hinder. . . . It is in recognition of this that these decisions have respected the private realm of family life which the state cannot enter.
- Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:42 PM   #82
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There are CONSTITUTIONAL rights and then there are FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN rights. There are a host of Constitutional rights that aren't really fundamental human rights, in my view.
That is nonsense. The Constitution is a document based on Natural Law and protects those Natural Rights. This is one of them.

You can figure Natural Rights by putting man back into a state of nature. You are free to copulate, produce offspring to forward your kind. When that baby pops out of your body, you are responsible for raising it. You don't hand it off to some man- made organization to take it over for you involuntarily. It's about as natural a right as it gets.

Tell me do you hum Boston Strong when you're at home too? You know your state broke the law during that event. You probably liked it.

We have recognized on numerous occasions that the relationship between parent and child is constitutionally protected.

We have little doubt that the Due Process Clause would be offended "if a State were to attempt to force the breakup of a natural family, over the objections of the parents and their children, without some showing of unfitness and for the sole reason that to do so was thought to be in the children's best interest."

- Quilloin v. Walcott, 434 U.S. 246 (1978)
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:45 PM   #83
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The Supreme Court Until 2000

Historically, our nation consistently maintained that parents possess a fundamental right to raise their children as they see fit.

This belief was upheld by our judiciary in numerous Supreme Court cases that reflect the American people's longstanding commitment to parental rights. The excerpts below are drawn from key Supreme Court cases protecting the right of parents to raise their children. It is critical that we place this traditional Supreme Court doctrine on parental rights into the explicit text of the United States Constitution in order to preserve the vital child-parent relationship. The principles below are referred to as the Parental Rights Doctrine.

Case index:
Meyer v. State of Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390 (1923)
Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925)
Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)
Ginsberg v. New York, 390 U.S. 629 (1968)
Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972)
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632 (1974)
Moore v. East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494 (1977)
Smith v. Organization of Foster Families, 431 U.S. 816 (1977)
Quilloin v. Walcott, 434 U.S. 246 (1978)
Parham v. J. R., 442 U.S. 584 (1979)
Santosky v. Kramer, 455 U.S. 745 (1982)
Reno v. Flores, 507 U.S. 292 (1993)
Washington v. Glucksburg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)
Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000)

http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={12D52BF9-1D6D-4EEC-B83B-F74B3F91BDF6}&DE=
Each case specifics are in the link.
Since year 2000, seems to uphold it but the progs on the court are being sly.


Here's a few case specifics:


The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the State to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the State; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations.
- Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925)
It is cardinal with us that the custody, care and nurture of the child reside first in the parents, whose primary function and freedom include preparation for obligations the state can neither supply nor hinder. . . . It is in recognition of this that these decisions have respected the private realm of family life which the state cannot enter.
- Prince v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)
Not one bit of this is relevant to the German family.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:46 PM   #84
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Possibly. Perhaps, someone in the Obama admin got to Roberts again. They did on Obamacare.
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What does that mean, "got to Roberts?"

Threatened to kill him? Be specific about what you are asserting.
Could someone ask this of BEP? I'm probably on ignore again.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:52 PM   #85
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My posts on Constitution were in response to some in the thread claiming this was not a fundamental right but a privilege or similar type arguments. But they are relevant to this German couple, because it is a fundamental natural right. Not the right to an govt paid for education, but the right to pursue freely one's own education without state harassment.

I don't like the UN commie label of "Human Rights" since the UN Charter of Human Rights claims too many things that are not natural rights....including the right to democracy ( socialism to the UN) and the right to a job and other bullshit made-up rights by global socialists.

I think cosmos was a member of some youth group sponsored by the state or wasn't raised by his mother. Perhaps a latch-key kid.
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In a long line of cases, we have held that, in addition to the specific freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights, the "liberty" specially protected by the Due Process Clause includes the rights . . . to direct the education and upbringing of one's children.

- Washington v. Glucksburg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997)
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Not one bit of this is relevant to the German family.
In your opinion only--an uninformed one.

BTW if I notice someone trying to work around the ignore filter for someone, I usually ignore them too. You're just lucky I exercised my right and choice to activate "View Post" on a selective basis. I wanted to see what someone posted what you were losing your temper about. Didn't want to miss the meltdown.
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Jay Cosmo has been losing his temper more lately. I think it's due to the collapsing poll numbers for his lord and savior in the White House.


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Could someone ask this of BEP? I'm probably on ignore again.
Obviously, Roberts is a Zionist Keynesian Mercantilist Neocon.
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You have strange allies Cochise. Anything, to avoid articulating an argument.

No, Roberts is just not a strict constructionist which is very obvious--never mind being a justice who seeks original intent. More than that, I think someone in the Obama admin has been getting to him, like they did on Obamacare.

Frankly, I don't know the man's economics...but I heard he's more like a libertarian. I know his wife belongs to a feminist group that is libertarian--not progressive.

So for you to continue your transgression of calumny, by adding Keynesian or Mercantilist (economic terms) to color what I think of Roberts is a wonderful indication that I am getting to you by calling out conservatives who aren't really conservatives. Plus your economic illiteracy is showing.

I call that an EPIC WIN!
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