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Old 03-04-2014, 07:17 AM  
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Obama Newest Failure bringing out left critics. Weak President.

While BiBi explains things to Obama, the Syrians are telling the Ukrainian people to not believe Obamas promises to help and his media anchors are seeing what a total disaster his administration has been in foreign policy.

One question is will he take credit? Or will he lay it off on the State Department.....ouch....That put Hillary in the middle of all this. Kerry is no more than a buffoon and anyone can see he carries no weight.





President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy — Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...39c_story.html


The U.S. makes crises in Ukraine and Syria worse by not planning for them

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...39c_story.html

Mitt Romney Was Right About Russia — New Republic

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...in-and-ukraine
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:52 AM   #2
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All his stupidity (re-set buttons, "The 80s are calling", the Muslim world apology tour) has actually led to a better US foreign policy IMO. It's quite the paradox. I like weaker US positions on military might as do many Americans and certainly most folks in the world.
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He's got no problem beating up on Israel for solving problems with nuclear scientists on their own. Unfortunately they are the only country he feels like being tough on.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:59 AM   #4
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The WaPo editorial is well done.

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President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy
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By Editorial Board, Published: March 2


FOR FIVE YEARS, President Obama has led a foreign policy based more on how he thinks the world should operate than on reality. It was a world in which “the tide of war is receding” and the United States could, without much risk, radically reduce the size of its armed forces. Other leaders, in this vision, would behave rationally and in the interest of their people and the world. Invasions, brute force, great-power games and shifting alliances — these were things of the past. Secretary of State John F. Kerry displayed this mindset on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday when he said, of Russia’s invasion of neighboring Ukraine, “It’s a 19th century act in the 21st century.”

That’s a nice thought, and we all know what he means. A country’s standing is no longer measured in throw-weight or battalions. The world is too interconnected to break into blocs. A small country that plugs into cyberspace can deliver more prosperity to its people (think Singapore or Estonia) than a giant with natural resources and standing armies.

Unfortunately, Russian President Vladimir Putin has not received the memo on 21st-century behavior. Neither has China’s president, Xi Jinping, who is engaging in gunboat diplomacy against Japan and the weaker nations of Southeast Asia. Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is waging a very 20th-century war against his own people, sending helicopters to drop exploding barrels full of screws, nails and other shrapnel onto apartment buildings where families cower in basements. These men will not be deterred by the disapproval of their peers, the weight of world opinion or even disinvestment by Silicon Valley companies. They are concerned primarily with maintaining their holds on power.

Mr. Obama is not responsible for their misbehavior. But he does, or could, play a leading role in structuring the costs and benefits they must consider before acting. The model for Mr. Putin’s occupation of Crimea was his incursion into Georgia in 2008, when George W. Bush was president. Mr. Putin paid no price for that action; in fact, with parts of Georgia still under Russia’s control, he was permitted to host a Winter Olympics just around the corner. China has bullied the Philippines and unilaterally staked claims to wide swaths of international air space and sea lanes as it continues a rapid and technologically impressive military buildup. Arguably, it has paid a price in the nervousness of its neighbors, who are desperate for the United States to play a balancing role in the region.

But none of those neighbors feel confident that the United States can be counted on.

Since the Syrian dictator crossed Mr. Obama’s red line with a chemical weapons attack that killed 1,400 civilians, the dictator’s military and diplomatic position has steadily strengthened.

The urge to pull back — to concentrate on what Mr. Obama calls “nation-building at home” — is nothing new, as former ambassador Stephen Sestanovich recounts in his illuminating history of U.S. foreign policy, “Maximalist.” There were similar retrenchments after the Korea and Vietnam wars and when the Soviet Union crumbled. But the United States discovered each time that the world became a more dangerous place without its leadership and that disorder in the world could threaten U.S. prosperity. Each period of retrenchment was followed by more active (though not always wiser) policy. Today Mr. Obama has plenty of company in his impulse, within both parties and as reflected by public opinion. But he’s also in part responsible for the national mood: If a president doesn’t make the case for global engagement, no one else effectively can.

The White House often responds by accusing critics of being warmongers who want American “boots on the ground” all over the world and have yet to learn the lessons of Iraq. So let’s stipulate: We don’t want U.S. troops in Syria, and we don’t want U.S. troops in Crimea. A great power can become overextended, and if its economy falters, so will its ability to lead. None of this is simple.

But it’s also true that, as long as some leaders play by what Mr. Kerry dismisses as 19th-century rules, the United States can’t pretend that the only game is in another arena altogether. Military strength, trustworthiness as an ally, staying power in difficult corners of the world such as Afghanistan — these still matter, much as we might wish they did not. While the United States has been retrenching, the tide of democracy in the world, which once seemed inexorable, has been receding. In the long run, that’s harmful to U.S. national security, too.

As Mr. Putin ponders whether to advance further — into eastern Ukraine, say — he will measure the seriousness of U.S. and allied actions, not their statements. China, pondering its next steps in the East China Sea, will do the same. Sadly, that’s the nature of the century we’re living in.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:24 AM   #5
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Well, of course those are the Establishment elite's mouthpieces--the pressitutes for the state. They're ones who want their own version of empire and are on team-covert instigator. Of course, they're all BIG govt statists or progs too.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:26 AM   #6
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All his stupidity (re-set buttons, "The 80s are calling", the Muslim world apology tour) has actually led to a better US foreign policy IMO. It's quite the paradox. I like weaker US positions on military might as do many Americans and certainly most folks in the world.
Yup! More, not less, are fed up with this internationalist nonsense including the ridiculous title "Leader of the Free World" or just "World."
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We are broke, and we spent all our "military political capital" with our own people by pushing all our chips to the center of the table, going all-in with Iraq. There's no appetite for ordering more off the battle menu. Our people are weary and we're freaking out of money. China, Russia, Syria, everybody knows this which is why it doesn't matter who is President: none would be able to use military troops right now.


Going into Iraq was a generational decision. Just like Vietnam was. You have to wait a generation before you do a full scale invasion or massive troop deployment. Them's the rules. Putin knows that.
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We are broke, and we spent all our "military political capital" with our own people by pushing all our chips to the center of the table, going all-in with Iraq. There's no appetite for ordering more off the battle menu. Our people are weary and we're freaking out of money. China, Russia, Syria, everybody knows this which is why it doesn't matter who is President: none would be able to use military troops right now.


Going into Iraq was a generational decision. Just like Vietnam was. You have to wait a generation before you do a full scale invasion or massive troop deployment. Them's the rules. Putin knows that.
I don't think anyone is arguing for a military engagement against the Russians. But we could take a variety of actions if we are interested in checking his expansionism.
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I don't think anyone is arguing for a military engagement against the Russians. But we could take a variety of actions if we are interested in checking his expansionism.
Those can still have adverse consequences -- even provoke a war.
I consider sanctions and act of escalating chances of a war.

It's still intervention and meddling. In this case completely inappropriate after our actions in that created the current crisis. You have to be on a higher moral ground to do anything at all.
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This does not affect American security or national interests ( as much as I hate that latter word). When the Ukraine was under the Soviet Union, starved to death by Stalin and remained a captive nation, America did nothing. The Soviets were a real threat then.
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This does not affect American security or national interests ( as much as I hate that latter word). When the Ukraine was under the Soviet Union, starved to death by Stalin and remained a captive nation, America did nothing. The Soviets were a real threat then.
It does in that having a leader that is so incredibly weak, makes all antagonists think that they can do what they want. China could take Taiwan and North Korea could invade South Korea at any time. Strategic use of a biological or nuclear weapon on our South Korea base and it's pretty much over for SK. The real worry is if China and SK operate in concert. Our Pacific fleet is bad ass, but we'd have to fight to get a beach head on both Taiwan and SK. Couple that with the US being war weary and the weakest POTUS ever and all the ingredients for ww3 are in place. Our economy would tank with the loss of either SK or Taiwan. We're too heavily invested in both.
Our ability to spool up production to stay afloat just isn't there. Way too much production comes from Asia.
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Our economy would tank with the loss of either SK or Taiwan. We're too heavily invested in both.
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Maybe that's a lesson learned about the value of maintaining domestic manufacturing.
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All his stupidity (re-set buttons, "The 80s are calling", the Muslim world apology tour) has actually led to a better US foreign policy IMO. It's quite the paradox. I like weaker US positions on military might as do many Americans and certainly most folks in the world.
Yes, you're aligned well with the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese, the Obama administration and everyone else who wants to see the US diminished. Congratulations.
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Yes, you're aligned well with the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese, the Obama administration and everyone else who wants to see the US diminished. Congratulations.
And the Europeans. Don't forget about them.
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