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Old 03-04-2014, 07:17 AM  
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Obama Newest Failure bringing out left critics. Weak President.

While BiBi explains things to Obama, the Syrians are telling the Ukrainian people to not believe Obamas promises to help and his media anchors are seeing what a total disaster his administration has been in foreign policy.

One question is will he take credit? Or will he lay it off on the State Department.....ouch....That put Hillary in the middle of all this. Kerry is no more than a buffoon and anyone can see he carries no weight.





President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy — Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...39c_story.html


The U.S. makes crises in Ukraine and Syria worse by not planning for them

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...39c_story.html

Mitt Romney Was Right About Russia — New Republic

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...in-and-ukraine
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:19 AM   #16
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It does in that having a leader that is so incredibly weak, makes all antagonists think that they can do what they want. China could take Taiwan and North Korea could invade South Korea at any time. Strategic use of a biological or nuclear weapon on our South Korea base and it's pretty much over for SK. The real worry is if China and SK operate in concert. Our Pacific fleet is bad ass, but we'd have to fight to get a beach head on both Taiwan and SK. Couple that with the US being war weary and the weakest POTUS ever and all the ingredients for ww3 are in place. Our economy would tank with the loss of either SK or Taiwan. We're too heavily invested in both.
Our ability to spool up production to stay afloat just isn't there. Way too much production comes from Asia.
Then we shouldn't have been meddling inside the Ukraine to the tune of $5 Billion dollars to try to buy another govt. ( along with One Worlder Soros) We should have left it alone. We shouldn't be insisting on an expansionist NATO and an expansionist EU. That, my friend, is the problem--not the blowback those create.

It's amazing to me how Republican George Bush Senior decried the Soviet Republics breaking off from Russian in a move he scorned as "nationalism" and here we are today.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:23 AM   #17
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We are broke, and we spent all our "military political capital" with our own people by pushing all our chips to the center of the table, going all-in with Iraq. There's no appetite for ordering more off the battle menu. Our people are weary and we're freaking out of money. China, Russia, Syria, everybody knows this which is why it doesn't matter who is President: none would be able to use military troops right now.


Going into Iraq was a generational decision. Just like Vietnam was. You have to wait a generation before you do a full scale invasion or massive troop deployment. Them's the rules. Putin knows that.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:27 AM   #18
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And the Europeans. Don't forget about them.
Some Europeans, sure. But speaking of people I forgot to mention, there's also radical Islamists like al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas, and dictators who have run afoul of the US like Kim Jong Un and Fidel Castro. You're in good company.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:30 AM   #19
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Some Europeans, sure. But speaking of people I forgot to mention, there's also radical Islamists like al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas, and dictators who have run afoul of the US like Kim Jong Un and Fidel Castro. You're in good company.
So it's basically me and the entire globe on one side. And on the other its you, Dick Cheney, Sean Hannity, and some ex military dude in his boxers reading "Guns & Ammo" on the toilet seat right about now.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:30 AM   #20
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The below the belt association with terrorists to a Patriot isn't necessary Pat. And it's a strawman too.

Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:36 AM   #21
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So it's basically me and the entire globe on one side. And on the other its you, Dick Cheney, Sean Hannity, and some ex military dude in his boxers reading "Guns & Ammo" on the toilet seat right about now.
No. Most of Europe, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Israel and a whole slew of others also think you're nuts.
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The below the belt association with terrorists to a Patriot isn't necessary Pat. And it's a strawman too.

Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.
It's not below the belt and it's not a strawman, it's accurate.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:39 AM   #23
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It's not below the belt and it's not a strawman, it's accurate.
Nope. How you're coloring his position is just your opinion.
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In this case completely inappropriate after our actions in that created the current crisis.
Is it fun just making things up, or does it actually bother you a little bit?
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President Obama has led a foreign policy based more on how he thinks the world should operate than on reality.

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The below the belt association with terrorists to a Patriot isn't necessary Pat. And it's a strawman too.

Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.
Why did you capitalize Patriot?
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What is accurate is that NeoCons keep inviting blowback by pushing their promiscuous busy-body meddling and interventions, military and otherwise, leading to a world that is increasingly more dangerous.

Address the cause, by minding our own business and this stuff subsides. We'd help our financial situation, can work on restoring the condition of the Republic as we've slipped from being at the top economically. So we'd be stronger.

I'll have no part in building globalism the way we're doing it. I want to build America back up and be free again.
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What is accurate is that NeoCons keep inviting blowback by pushing their promiscuous busy-body meddling and interventions, military and otherwise leading to a world that is increasingly more dangerous world. Address the cause, by minding our own business aand this stuff subsides. We'd help our financial situation, can work on restoring the condition of the Republic as we've slipped from being at the top economically. So we'd be stronger.
Yeah but then, what would Israel and the Phillipines think of us?
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No. Most of Europe, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Israel and a whole slew of others also think you're nuts.
Actually, most Americans are tired of your side. So you, using logic, are calling the larger majority of Americans "nuts." That just how a progressive thinks--they are better at deciding what is best for Americans, despite how the grass roots feel.

Calling someone a terrorist, essentially, by association on top doesn't pass logic 101.

I could say you're in the company of One Worlder George Soros on this issue...and that would be more accurate. Your associations are not pro-America they are pro globalism which has not serve America well--at all.
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Then we shouldn't have been meddling inside the Ukraine to the tune of $5 Billion dollars to try to buy another govt. ( along with One Worlder Soros) We should have left it alone. We shouldn't be insisting on an expansionist NATO and an expansionist EU. That, my friend, is the problem--not the blowback those create.

It's amazing to me how Republican George Bush Senior decried the Soviet Republics breaking off from Russian in a move he scorned as "nationalism" and here we are today.
I'm not for running around policing the world, but looking at history it's apparent that we're making the same mistakes we've made before. A war weary America was reluctant to assist England vs Germany in ww2. If we engaged Germany in '38 or '39, the loss of life would have been much less. We waited until our ally was against the ropes and Germany fortified their positions in the land they took. Not saying to attack Russia now, that'd be nuts especially with a weak POTUS and the vulnerabilities we have. However, if Putin decides to reclaim Poland, Hungary, or Czech Republic, we'd be dragged in like it or not.
It's way too late now, but relying on foreign manufacturing and energy puts us at a huge strategic disadvantage. Electing a President that's a complete moron especially in the area of foreign policy is guaranteed to bite us. Having open borders and a electric grid that's easily taken out is suicide. It's best to avoid these conflicts through strength and independence and preventative security . This federal leviathan and it's irresponsible spending puts us in financial jeopardy. Russia is saying that they'll dump their US bonds. If China did that we'd be in big trouble. We are dependent on foreign dollars to keep the food stamps going out. Talk about vulnerable. The federal government needs to eliminate every department that's not a constitutional requirement.
The missile defense base that Poland was going to get but Obama canceled would've been a big deterrent if Putin goes full expansionist.
Until we bring manufacturing back and exploit our own energy sources (especially oil) and shore up the borders, we'll always get dragged into the world's conflicts.
This situation stinks and there's not a lot that we can do now even if we had a competent POTUS because of many years of progressive stupidity. This should have been prevented and could have been prevented if these buffoons weren't visiting the Russian's carrying a reset button with them. Putin had a good laugh over that one I'm sure. He probably started his Ukraine plans right after that meeting.
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