Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-16-2014, 03:02 PM  
planetdoc planetdoc is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $5000
NSA does facebook man in the middle attacks to implant malware

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...denial-denial/

Quote:
Originally Posted by article
the NSA secretly pretended to be a Facebook server in order to covertly infect targets with malware “implants” used for surveillance.

This revelation apparently infuriated Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg so much that he got on the phone to President Barack Obama to complain about it. “I’ve been so confused and frustrated by the repeated reports of the behavior of the US government,” Zuckerberg wrote in a blog post Thursday. “When our engineers work tirelessly to improve security, we imagine we’re protecting you against criminals, not our own government.”

That wasn’t all. Wired ran a piece saying that the NSA’s widespread use of its malware tools “acts as implicit permission to others, both nation-state and criminal.” Slate noted that the NSA’s hacking platform appears to be “becoming a bit more like the un-targeted dragnets everyone has been so upset about.” Meanwhile, Ars Technica wrote that the surveillance technology we exposed “poses a risk to the entire Internet.”


Quote:
Originally Posted by article
the NSA is working to “aggressively scale” its computer hacking missions and has built a system called TURBINE that it explicitly states will “allow the current implant network to scale to large size (millions of implants).”
Posts: 1,989
planetdoc has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 03:07 PM   #2
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $13117
LOL at Zuckerberg. Hey Zuckerberg, shut the **** up!
Posts: 22,536
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 03:13 PM   #3
planetdoc planetdoc is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $5000
Sure, facebook gathers info on its users. Zuckerberg would be a hypocrite to complain.

That being said, the US doing man-in-the-middle (MITM) attacks on US companies is very bad for the US tech sector...and the US economy as a whole. I even wonder if users having a "secure" connection to a companies servers are enough because the NSA may have copies of companies (such as facebooks) certificate keys.
Posts: 1,989
planetdoc has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 03:44 PM   #4
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $13117
I get the point you're making, but we're fighting a pretty unconventional war these days.

So as long as the Govt. doesn't use it for stupid shit, or lawyers use the data, i don't really care too much. I see more risk in them NOT doing it.

Like hackers, I think a few need to be terminated for the greater good. And if it does nothing, well the planet id over-populated so just keep offing them.
Posts: 22,536
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 03:46 PM   #5
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Man in the middle attacks on US companies? What are you talking about? There's nothing in your article about attacks on US companies. The NSA's charter is to perform signals intelligence against foreign targets, including foreign targets who use the internet.

Your concerns about US companies are legit. The people to blame for damage to those companies are Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and their associates.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 04:02 PM   #6
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
ask for it by name
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the goldilocks zone
Casino cash: $12259
DHS, NSA, fusion centers, billions of extra expensive hollow point rounds for "target practice"... its out of control, it really is.

They're spending money on "zombie training" now, are they serious... what are the "zombies" actually standing in for?

Posts: 28,398
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 04:06 PM   #7
stonedstooge stonedstooge is offline
Arf! Arf! Arf!
 
stonedstooge's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: North
Casino cash: $9936
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free View Post
DHS, NSA, fusion centers, billions of extra expensive hollow point rounds for "target practice"... its out of control, it really is.

They're spending money on "zombie training" now, are they serious... what are the "zombies" actually standing in for?

O'Bama supporters. DUH!
__________________
2013 ADOPT A CHIEF
Eric Kush




"Often is a word I seldom use"--JP
Posts: 20,925
stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.stonedstooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 04:08 PM   #8
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
ask for it by name
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the goldilocks zone
Casino cash: $12259
Draw your own conclusions, but I sure don't like it.
Posts: 28,398
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 04:22 PM   #9
planetdoc planetdoc is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
I get the point you're making, but we're fighting a pretty unconventional war these days.
one has to define who the enemy is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
So as long as the Govt. doesn't use it for stupid shit, or lawyers use the data, i don't really care too much. I see more risk in them NOT doing it.
pretty sure I've read in earlier reports that NSA shares info gathered with other agencies such as IRS and DEA. They use the info without telling defendants how it was gathered by "parallel construction."

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
Like hackers, I think a few need to be terminated for the greater good. And if it does nothing, well the planet id over-populated so just keep offing them.
slippery slope of who decides what is for the "greater good."

that is the nature of the fallacy of "greater good"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilit...gnores_justice

Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Man in the middle attacks on US companies? What are you talking about?
Faking credentials of US companies to perform MITM attacks. A real world example would be if I impersonate you (patteeu) to defraud/scam a third party. Although the third party would be the victim of fraud/scam, you too would be a victim except of identity theft.

Other parties (such as the NSA) pretending to be facebook is not in the benefit of facebook.
Posts: 1,989
planetdoc has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:03 PM   #10
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdoc View Post
Faking credentials of US companies to perform MITM attacks. A real world example would be if I impersonate you (patteeu) to defraud/scam a third party. Although the third party would be the victim of fraud/scam, you too would be a victim except of identity theft.

Other parties (such as the NSA) pretending to be facebook is not in the benefit of facebook.
I get that. But to describe it as an attack on a US company instead of acknowledging that it's an attack on a foreign intelligence target *using* a US company as a front seems manipulative to me. Maybe it wasn't your intent.

Would you feel the same way if a traitor exposed the fact that a CIA agent had posed as an Exxon-Mobil employee while operating in the middle east?

In any event, I agree that disclosure of this kind of information hurts American companies like Facebook. This is just another example of the damage done to our country by Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:08 PM   #11
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $13117
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdoc View Post
one has to define who the enemy is.



pretty sure I've read in earlier reports that NSA shares info gathered with other agencies such as IRS and DEA. They use the info without telling defendants how it was gathered by "parallel construction."



slippery slope of who decides what is for the "greater good."

that is the nature of the fallacy of "greater good"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilit...gnores_justice



Faking credentials of US companies to perform MITM attacks. A real world example would be if I impersonate you (patteeu) to defraud/scam a third party. Although the third party would be the victim of fraud/scam, you too would be a victim except of identity theft.

Other parties (such as the NSA) pretending to be facebook is not in the benefit of facebook.
Mnay people my not comprehend this, but 18-year-olds make "greater good" decisions every day on the battle field. They hunt down bad guys and do their jobs. Perhaps credit card fraud isn't the same as terrorism, but I'm OK with it given that it's usually the funding behind the former.
Posts: 22,536
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:21 PM   #12
GloucesterChief GloucesterChief is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Jan 2013
Casino cash: $6556
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdoc View Post
Sure, facebook gathers info on its users. Zuckerberg would be a hypocrite to complain.

That being said, the US doing man-in-the-middle (MITM) attacks on US companies is very bad for the US tech sector...and the US economy as a whole. I even wonder if users having a "secure" connection to a companies servers are enough because the NSA may have copies of companies (such as facebooks) certificate keys.
The thing is that Zuckerberg has no power to throw you in jail, fine you, or prevent your travel. The US government does.

Not surprised that the security state bootlickers are jumping to defend this.

Zuckerberg is pissed because now not only does he have people pissed that Facebook sells their personal information, he has another layer of people who don't trust his product because even if they are fine giving their personal information to Facebook, they don't know if they are even giving that information to Facebook and not the fedgov.
Posts: 1,564
GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:30 PM   #13
planetdoc planetdoc is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
I get that. But to describe it as an attack on a US company instead of acknowledging that it's an attack on a foreign intelligence target *using* a US company as a front seems manipulative to me. Maybe it wasn't your intent.
not my intent

Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Would you feel the same way if a traitor exposed the fact that a CIA agent had posed as an Exxon-Mobil employee while operating in the middle east?
first off "traitor" is a loaded/subject word that I would object to. We would have to define who the individual is a "traitor" too (i.e. traitor to the CIA, or the american people, or the us government, or the constitution?). No need to sidetrack your question.

secondly, I would need details. Is the CIA agent posing as an Exxon-Mobile employee to scam/defraud a 3rd party or Exxon-Mobile? Are they doing this for terrorism reasons, economic espionage, for the benefit of another company, or something else? Who is harmed/benefited, and how?

Generally, every operation should have a clearly defined scope, clearly defined target, and be limited in nature.

Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
In any event, I agree that disclosure of this kind of information hurts American companies like Facebook. This is just another example of the damage done to our country by Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald.
I disagree that DISCLOSURE of this info hurts. Instead I believe that DOING this type of activity hurts US companies.

Generally speaking I dont think knowledge/info is ever wrong. I think intentions or actions can be wrong. Philosophically speaking, I would summarize that as saying I have no problem with someone having the "knowledge of good or evil", but I have a problem with those who "choose evil."

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
Mnay people my not comprehend this, but 18-year-olds make "greater good" decisions every day on the battle field.
those individuals have clear rules of engagement. The enemy is defined as well as the battlefield. Authorization for a declared war should be from congress. Undeclared battles have presidential authorization. That information is then made clear to the public.

My concern is that the NSA doesnt have a clearly defined enemy or battlefield, with unclear rules for engagement, and unclear authorization. It also appears that oversight and accountability by congress is murky. None of this is being made clear to the public (unlike the actions of the US military on the battlefield during a declared war).

Last edited by planetdoc; 03-16-2014 at 05:38 PM..
Posts: 1,989
planetdoc has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:41 PM   #14
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $13117
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdoc View Post
not my intent


My concern is that the NSA doesnt have a clearly defined enemy or battlefield, with unclear rules for engagement, and unclear authorization. It also appears that oversight and accountability by congress is murky. None of this is being made clear to the public (unlike the actions of the US military on the battlefield during a declared war).
Shades of gray. And there have been any number of wars fought outside of the open congress and press.

But I get your point..
Posts: 22,536
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 05:51 PM   #15
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
ask for it by name
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the goldilocks zone
Casino cash: $12259
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Man in the middle attacks on US companies? What are you talking about? There's nothing in your article about attacks on US companies. The NSA's charter is to perform signals intelligence against foreign targets, including foreign targets who use the internet.

Your concerns about US companies are legit. The people to blame for damage to those companies are Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and their associates.
Pat, they're far exceeding their charter.

As for Snowden, did Americans not have a right to know that their Constitution was being trampled on? You can question his personal motives, but I am personally pleased that I was atleast made aware of their depredations.

You've heard the axiom about "absolute power"... don't you think theres a truth in that? How much intrusion are the American people supposed to put up with in the name of "terrorism"... and the potential terrorist list now includes returning from wars veterans and Ron Paul supporters and mainstream Christian associations, among others.

Pat, these guys are trying to stifle any and all debate and dissension... it isn't right, its un-American.
Posts: 28,398
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.