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Old 03-19-2014, 03:55 PM  
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Patriots Four Rule Proposals

The Patriots submitted four rules proposals for discussion at next week's NFL owners' meetings.

1. Goal posts extended an additional 5 feet above the cross bar. "The reasoning of this proposal is that definitive rulings cannot be made on many field goal tries that cross over the top of the goal post."

2. Make the extra point more challenging by making the line of scrimmage the 25-yard line. "In order to make the point after a more competitive play."

3. Place fixed cameras on all boundary lines -- sideline, end line, end zone. "To supplement the TV cameras and to guarantee coverage of those lines for replay, no matter where the TV cameras are located."

4. Coaches can challenge any officials' decision other than scoring plays. "To make more extensive use of the replay system."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-...rule-proposals


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Old 03-26-2014, 09:44 AM   #61
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As Pats reporter Mike Reiss points out, the first one (taller goal posts) may have been triggered by the controversial end of the 2012 AFCCG. Ravens go on to win the SB...






I'm ok with 2, which was discussed elsewhere on here.

I think 3 is freaking OBVIOUS. HELLO!!

4 is fine with me also.


Not that I'm a Pats homer or anything, but all of these just seem to make alot of sense.
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Not passing #3 seems really, really stupid. Why wouldn't you want a good angle to determine if the ball went over the goal line? Ridiculous.
Yeah, dumb. Been asking this for years.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:47 AM   #62
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The problem is when the ball flies right over the post. That ball should have hit the upright, and there is no way to know if it would have deflected in or deflected out. This is also why some of those wacky ideas some people had (cameras on top pointing up, laser beams, etc) don't work, the ball should have hit the post.
Then a better rule change would be to define whether the ball has to be completely inside or partially inside the post as it sails over the top. Personally, if the ball flies right over the top of the vertical post, I don't think teams have much reason to complain about the call whichever way it goes.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:48 AM   #63
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But why? It's not a play. There is literally nothing the defense can do to affect it in any way, no matter how good they are or what strategy they use. There isn't a more boring play in all of sports. It's not remotely competitive, and sports is a competition.

It's basically like having free throws from RIGHT in front of the basket. Want to dunk it? Sure, go ahead. Lay it up? Ok. What the heck is the point of that?

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Old 03-26-2014, 09:48 AM   #64
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I'm glad they are going to experiment with the PAT in preseason. It was too much to expect them to make a huge change to the game in 2014 without years of discussion, but at least it looks like we'll begin having that discussion.

I can wait till 2015 or 2016 to settle on a PAT solution that almost everyone agrees they can live with.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:51 AM   #65
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Then a better rule change would be to define whether the ball has to be completely inside or partially inside the post as it sails over the top. Personally, if the ball flies right over the top of the vertical post, I don't think teams have much reason to complain about the call whichever way it goes.
No, that would not be better, that is a dumb suggestion. You only need to add 5 feet of hollow steel tube, done. No new rules, no additional costs, no controversy, and everyone would be happy with the result.

Also, the ball hitting the goalpost is far more exciting than having it vaguely go over and no one being sure about the call of an old dude with cateracts.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:52 AM   #66
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I like all of them except #2. I think they should just leave the extra point alone. It's supposed to be automatic. It's supposed to have a super high percentage of success. This is why it is so painful when teams go for 2 and then fail. They basically took that point off the board by not just kicking the field goal. That lost point often comes back to play big at the end of the game.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:53 AM   #67
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No, SAME NUMBER of challenges is the key. Right now there are all kinds of arbitrary rules on what is and isn't challenge-able.

They're NOT saying "challenge anything at will", they're saying use the challenges they ALREADY have on ANYTHING, rather than having a bunch of stuff off-limits.
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:54 AM   #68
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No, that would not be better, that is a dumb suggestion. You only need to add 5 feet of hollow steel tube, done. No new rules, no additional costs, no controversy, and everyone would be happy with the result.

Also, the ball hitting the goalpost is far more exciting than having it vaguely go over and no one being sure about the call of an old dude with cateracts.
Thanks for your input. I'm not too impressed with it though.

You don't think kickers can kick the ball 5 feet higher and produce the same result? BTW, extending the goal post *is* a new rule and an additional cost.
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No it wont, coaches will get the same 2 challenges. Hell, if anything there will be less time spent discussing with the officials whats reviewable and whats not~
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I like all of them except #2. I think they should just leave the extra point alone. It's supposed to be automatic. It's supposed to have a super high percentage of success. This is why it is so painful when teams go for 2 and then fail. They basically took that point off the board by not just kicking the field goal. That lost point often comes back to play big at the end of the game.
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I just feel like it IS a play, guys DO miss from time to time, the defense CAN do something to stop them. Sure its very, extremely rare. But, its always been like this, and is the reason why you count on 7 when you score. I feel like its messing with a core game component that has determined scores/records/margins of victory for so long.

When you move it back, it means 2 field goals are even closer to a TD in value, and I don't like that.
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Thanks for your input. I'm not too impressed with it though.

You don't think kickers can kick the ball 5 feet higher and produce the same result? BTW, extending the goal post *is* a new rule and an additional cost.
Since they have not been kicking it more than 5 feet higher, your first argument is moot, they have been barely going over. If we someday develop superkickers who can routinely launch it over the new height, we can deal with it then.

Your 2nd point is dumb. If you want to argue about nit-picky technicalities that no one cares about, have at it. It is, effectively, not a new rule, and not an added cost.

Going back to your suggestion, the reason why your suggestion is dumb is because it departs from the spirit of the rules. A rule saying it must be all the way in is dumb because we allow field goals that deflect in, and won't accept removing that. A rule saying if its partially in its good is dumb because then to be consistent we should allow any "field goal" that bounces off the post.
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Defensive PI being a spot foul is the #1 problem with pro football.
I don't have much problem with the spot foul, but would like it to be reviewable. I'd also like the rule enhanced that if the offensive player pushes off to gain separation after 5 yards, that any defensive PI after that to that player is negated. That way when they review it, and the CB grabs the WR that is pushing off they have to review the entire play. I saw way too many WR's push off well before the ball was thrown to gain separation last year for huge gains. Especially in Denver, though I remember Bowe getting away with a pretty big one as well.
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How about we return football to a game played by men?

There is no XP.

You get the ball at the 2 and you HAVE to run it.

You get 2 pts or no pts...
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I like them all. Also, it's 2014 and we're still using chains by guys running from the sidelines. Let's put a chip at both points of the football and use a laser to determine 1St down.
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