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Old 03-24-2014, 07:22 PM  
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Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT





New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:15 AM   #76
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im usually on the cops side with this type of stuff but that was f'ed up imo... The guy looked scared when they shot the smoke, and he didn't know wether to put his hands up or down, and the minute he started to go to the ground the other way they shot him.. I mean honestly that was 5-10 seconds tops before they shot if that.. and you gotta know his mind is going crazy the minute they fired some stuff and is probably in shock trying to react to the situation and what they are saying to him... I feel sorry for the guy regardless of his past..

This is why I keep out of crap like that though and if theres trouble I don't sit there arguing with cops to get myself into trouble.. Why even put myself in a situation like that.
So they should of waited to shoot him after he stabbed and killed the police dog? As soon as they shot him and he hit the ground they were yelling at him to drop the knifes. Which makes me believe he pulled the knife when the dog was on him. Which would make deadly force justified since the guy had the ability, the means, the opportunity and the intent to kill that police dog. You need those 4 things to justify deadly force to protect yourself or others. Or maybe I missed something in the video. But I think other actions could have been taken to prevent this from happening.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:33 AM   #77
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So they should of waited to shoot him after he stabbed and killed the police dog? As soon as they shot him and he hit the ground they were yelling at him to drop the knifes. Which makes me believe he pulled the knife when the dog was on him. Which would make deadly force justified since the guy had the ability, the means, the opportunity and the intent to kill that police dog. You need those 4 things to justify deadly force to protect yourself or others. Or maybe I missed something in the video. But I think other actions could have been taken to prevent this from happening.
if he "pulled" the knife then yeah, that's a act of violence and if he is a Skilled daggersman (hell if I know) he could throw it at a cop and kill him.. Im just saying from what I can see on the video which is the only evidence I can go buy.. I cant see if he had that knife in his hand the entire time or just when shit hit the fan..

if he had the knife in his hand the entire time then it doesn't make sense on that being the reason they decided to shoot 3 hours later when hes had it in his hand the whole time..
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:39 AM   #78
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lol, right? Super ****ed up people out there.


CC, I want to defend the officers because I realize how tough their job can be, especially when every yahoo civilian wants to question their every move. My only problem in this case is that they shot as the man was turning his back on them. Any solid reasoning for that?
I said I would leave so the bashers could vent, but you gave me a direct question. It's a real time video, it's sooooo easy to arm chair QB the decisions. I can't speak to how these two officers felt, but I can put it in my own perspective.

Once the guy produced the two knives (after the flash grenade and the decision to go "hands on"), I'd have one second to decide if all his threats (from previous encounters, and/or the three hour conversation could be legit, how credible those threats are (could he possibly kill someone with those knives) and if I thought my life or someone else's life was in danger.

I watched the video a couple times. As two cops move up to arrest him, he dropped his bag and produced two knives. He took a stance of some sort. The first officer fired and the second officer fired with in milliseconds of each other. They are the "over watch" for the k9 officer (no gun drawn and within 10 feet of the wielded knives, the predesignated radius of leathal knife attacks) and the other "hands on" officer who was moving in to handcuff the guy.

Could he throw the knives? Accurately? Luckily? Did he flench and turn his back because he was hit by a bullet? Was he ducking and preparing to throw a knife?

That's a lot of questions I wouldn't be able to answer. Not even now as an arm chair QB, let alone react to in real time. You, and others, are claiming/asking if the shots were illegal because he was shot in the back, like it's so easy to know the outcome/intent. Or that he wasn't a real threat because he only had knives. But sick and drugged people in similar situations have been credible lethal threats with less than knives.

Try not to focus on just the tragedy this human being lost his life, but remember the tragedy of another human living with taking a life. It's equally as disturbing. Calling him a murderer isn't remotely fair. It's hyperbole. It's political agenda and fame hunting getting the best of someone and influencing the diagnosis of this situation. Don't buy it, feed it or give it merit. The tragic truth is this man died because he didn't accept help for many years, and let the voices in his head dictate the outcome of how his life ended.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:40 AM   #79
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if he "pulled" the knife then yeah, that's a act of violence and if he is a Skilled daggersman (hell if I know) he could throw it at a cop and kill him.. Im just saying from what I can see on the video which is the only evidence I can go buy.. I cant see if he had that knife in his hand the entire time or just when shit hit the fan..

if he had the knife in his hand the entire time then it doesn't make sense on that being the reason they decided to shoot 3 hours later when hes had it in his hand the whole time..
Yea I don't know if he had the knife out already before they sent the dog, couldn't tell. If he did then I wouldn't have sent the dog, you wouldn't want to put the dog in that kind of situation. As a police officer you wouldn't just walk up on a suspect wielding a knife and go hands on. If he already had the knife out before the dog went in then they messed up imo.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:41 AM   #80
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...My only problem in this case is that they shot as the man was turning his back on them. Any solid reasoning for that?
No solid reason. None. One of the cops that shot first was fired from the NM state police for fraud. Originally wasn't supposed to carry a gun when hired on by APD. Go figure.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:49 AM   #81
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Anyway you look at it knifes are for sure "real" threats. At my job we always consider the 21 foot rule. A suspect with a knife can close a 21 foot distance and stab you before an officer can draw from a holster and fire a round. Also knifes never run out of "bullets."
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:50 AM   #82
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No solid reason. None. One of the cops that shot first was fired from the NM state police for fraud. Originally wasn't supposed to carry a gun when hired on by APD. Go figure.
What's the solid reasoning for dropping his bags and producing two knives as the officers approached him?
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:42 AM   #83
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What's the solid reasoning for dropping his bags and producing two knives as the officers approached him?
I think your avy sums up your position on this topic. But that's ok. Your imperfections pale in comparison to mine. Agree to disagree. No amount of arguing is going to change what happened.

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Old 03-25-2014, 04:36 AM   #84
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Anyway you look at it knifes are for sure "real" threats. At my job we always consider the 21 foot rule. A suspect with a knife can close a 21 foot distance and stab you before an officer can draw from a holster and fire a round. Also knifes never run out of "bullets."
Sure.. if they can avoid falling into any holes in the ground
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:15 AM   #85
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:54 AM   #86
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I have family in law enforcement. I realize that not all, even the majority are not bad people. But there is a serious epidemic in this country right now regarding horrible police acts. You have guys that were power-hungry jocks and bullies in high school getting an associates degree in criminal justice and then you hand them a weapon and give them complete freedom to piss on the rights of free men and women when they perceive a threat.

I see this and, in many cases, I wonder, "what is the difference between this and the treatment we see individuals receiving from the SS or state police of Nazi Germany in archive footage?"...there isn't one. We are considered the 'world police' and are quick to jump into action to aid countries where human rights are being abused, but we ignore it when it's happening in our own backyard.

This is murder, plain and simple. You won't convince me otherwise.
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The video is now disabled. :-/ i went to send it to my buddy who is a cop in a bad area and deals with violent perps all day...wanted to get his opinion. But now video cannot be seen.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:11 AM   #88
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