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Old 03-30-2014, 08:03 AM  
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Texas family fights for euthanasia laws after daughter's death

So I am sure it has been discussed before but what is everyone's opinion on laws like this?

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Corpus Christi, Texas (KTVT) — A Texas family is fighting to make euthanasia of terminal patients legal in the state. They don't want other families to go through the pain that they have endured.

At 19-months-old, Natalie Newton was a busy, happy toddler. until September, when those busy little feet took her into the family's backyard pool near Corpus Christi. Natty, as the family likes to call her, was revived.

"It was just horrible. blind and deaf and can't move can you imagine?" Her dad said.

After more than an hour without oxygen, doctors determined that she would ultimately not survive.

"You think that dreadful thought: We can't let her live like this, and you can't believe you just thought that," said her dad.

The hospital's ethics committee agreed. The question then became: How, exactly, would natty die?

"They're saying, ok, well, the nutrition and the hydration. 'Well, isn't that starving her to death?'" The father asked them.

Her grandfather, Bradley Newton, says withholding 'nutrition' as it's nicely put was the only option that Texas law allowed.

Over eight and a half long, awful, agonizing days, Natty was starved.

"That's just the most cruel, inhumane thing. We euthanize dogs for humanity reasons, we euthanize serial killers but, a 21-month-old baby has to starve for almost 9 days?" Questions the dad.

Newton says his family has been traumatized by the process and is traveling the state sharing her story in the hope of forcing change, for Natty's sake.



http://www.ketknbc.com/news/texas-fa...aws-after-daug


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Here is a link to a CNN video on it as well. This video is a little graphic due to some of the photos they show in it. You have been warned.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...ight.ktvt.html
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:43 AM   #91
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If I own myself, then I should have the option to end my own life at a time of my choosing. I do think that there is a right to suicide, especially in cases where someone is terminal.
Suicide is one thing but euthanasia requires the act of another to do the deed.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:48 AM   #92
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I also support the Fifth Amendment, especially this part: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:05 AM   #93
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Wrong

Nonsensical to you but not for someone who feels life is sacred and govt's first duty is to protect it.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.
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Yeah...except that you didn't fix my post because that's not what you typed. Deal with it.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:08 AM   #94
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Yeah...except that you didn't fix my post because that's not what you typed. Deal with it.
You were seeking clarification on what I posted earlier. Were you not?
So what you posted wasn't exactly what I typed earlier.
Thus your clarification request was granted--just not in the same words.
Sometimes saying things more than one way clarifies. Deal with it.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:09 AM   #95
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You were seeking clarification on what I posted earlier. Were you not?
So what you posted wasn't exactly what I typed earlier.
Thus your clarification request was granted--just not in the same words.
Sometimes saying things more than one way clarifies. Deal with it.
Those points are taken directly from your post. Those are your words. Deal with it.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:13 AM   #96
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Those points are taken directly from your post. Those are your words. Deal with it.
I already dealt with it. I was dealing with your request for more.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:15 AM   #97
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I already dealt with it. I was dealing with your request for more.
Not really. Like I said, those points are taken directly from your post. It was a rambling nonsensical mess.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:16 AM   #98
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As we accomplish more with genetic based medicine number 5 will become less and less of a concern. Considering we are probably within a couple of decades of perhaps doubling or tripling the natural human lifespan as things like stem cell therapies and genetic medicine become common.

Basically, anything that can happen we will be able to fix.
Only if living to a hundred means I can still look good. If not. Forget about it!
I'd rather practice reincarnation rituals.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:18 AM   #99
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Not really. Like I said, those points are taken directly from your post. It was a rambling nonsensical mess.
My original post was just too general and lacked enough specifics. Except for what is going on in Holland. ( to the point where some are afraid to be admitted into a hospital) So there was enough ambiguity to get part of it but needed more. Hey, I wanted to watch the last episode of "How I Met Your Mother!" Geesh!

The "Deal with It" was on my opinion against euthanasia because I am pro-life and don't think individuals get to take another life for any reason except defense of one's own life or another's. It's not personal natural right. I just know you want to debate that.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:20 AM   #100
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My original post was just too general and lacked enough specifics. Except for what is going on in Holland. ( to the point where some are afraid to be admitted into a hospital) Hey, I wanted to watch the last episode of "How I Met Your Mother!" Geesh!
Oh no you didn't, girlfriend! (just keeping up the sass).
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:38 AM   #101
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Euthanasia is a long, smooth-sounding word, and it conceals its danger as long, smooth words do, but the danger is there, nevertheless.
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Condemned German: “But we didn’t think it would go that far.”
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~ Conversation in the American motion picture Judgment at Nuremburg.
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:22 PM   #102
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Wrong

Nonsensical to you but not for someone who feels life is sacred and govt's first duty is to protect it.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.

Even against the wishes of the person and their loved one? Your Catholicism is interfering with your libertarianism. Got a label for that?
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:23 PM   #103
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I also support the Fifth Amendment, especially this part: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

That only applies TO the government. I'm not asking the government to DO it, I'm asking them to NOT interfere with it by making it illegal.
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:53 PM   #104
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Can we combine this with the Obamacare Thread?
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Can we combine this with the Obamacare Thread?
Well it should be, because the govt will be implementing euthanasia to save money. It has to. Instead of denying coverage, like private insurance, they will just kill you. Afterall, we're just equivalent to pet dogs.
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